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Tesla In 'Self-Drive Mode' Hit By Train After Turning Onto Train Tracks (www.jalopnik.com)
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[–] 151 points 1 year ago (18 children)

Furthermore, with the amount of telemetry that those cars have The company knows whether it was in self drive or not when it went onto the track. So the fact that they didn't go public saying it wasn't means that it was in self-drive mode and they want to save the PR face and liability.

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  • [–] 93 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    I have a nephew that worked at Tesla as a software engineer for a couple years (he left about a year ago). I gave him the VIN to my Tesla and the amount of data he shared with me was crazy. He warned me that one of my brake lights was regularly logging errors. If their telemetry includes that sort of information then clearly they are logging a LOT of data.

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  • [–] 24 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Modern cars (in the US) are required to have an OBD-II Port for On-Board Diagnostics. I always assumed most cars these days were just sending some or all of the real-time OBD data to the manufacturer. GM definitely has been.

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  • [–] 25 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Dude, in today's world we're lucky if they stop at the manufacturer. I know of a few insurances that have contracts through major dealers and they just automatically get the data that's registered via the cars systems. That way they can make better decisions regarding people's car insurance.

    Nowadays it's a red flag if you join a car insurance and they don't offer to give you a discount if you put something like drive pass on which logs you're driving because it probably means that your car is already getting that data to them.

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  • [–] 45 points 1 year ago (13 children)

    I've heard they also like to disengage self-driving mode right before a collision.

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  • [+] -6 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    That actually sounds like a reasonable response. Driving assist means that a human is supposed to be attentive to take control. If the system detects a situation where it's unable to make a good decision, dumping that decision on the human in control seems like the closest they have to a "fail safe" option. Of course, there should probably also be an understanding that people are stupid and will almost certainly have stopped paying attention a long time ago. So, maybe a "human take the wheel" followed by a "slam the brakes" if no input is detected in 2-3 seconds. While an emergency stop isn't always the right choice, it probably beats leaving a several ton metal object hurtling along uncontrolled in nearly every circumstance.

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  • [–] 55 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    That actually sounds like a reasonable response.

    If you give the driver enough time to act, which tesla doesn't. They turn it off a second before impact and then claim it wasn't in self-driving mode.

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  • [–] 17 points 1 year ago

    Not even a second, it's sometimes less than 250-300ms. If I wasn't already anticipating it to fail and disengage as it went though the 2-lane wide turn I would have gone straight into oncoming traffic

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago*

    I don't know if that is still the case, but many electronic stuff in the US had warnings, with pictures, like "don't put it in the bath", and the like .

    People are dumb, and you should take that into account.

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  • [+] -10 points 1 year ago* (6 children)

    That sounds a lot more like a rumor to me.. it would be extremely suspicious and would leave them open to GIGANTIC liability issues.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago* (2 children)

    How so? The human in the car is always ultimately responsible when using level 3 driver assists. Tesla does not have level 4/5 self-driving and therefore doesn’t have to assume any liability.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago*

    This right here is another fault in regulation that eventually will catch up because Especially with level three where it's primarily the vehicle driving and the driver just gives periodic input It's not the driver that's in control most of the time. It's the vehicle so therefore It should not be the driver at fault

    Honestly, I think everything up to level two should be drivers at fault because those levels require a constant driver's input. However, level three conditional driving and higher should be considered liability of the company unless the company can prove that the autonomous control, handed control back to the driver in a human-capable manner (i.e Not within the last second like Tesla currently does)

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