cross-posted from: https://lemmy.zip/post/52369691

According to the complaint, Toyota and its hydrogen partner, FirstElement Fuel (True Zero), intentionally concealed evidence of:

  • hydrogen leaks near hot engine components, creating explosion risks

  • sudden power loss, acceleration, and braking failures leading to collisions and injuries

  • a collapsing hydrogen infrastructure, leaving drivers stranded for weeks without access to fuel

  • aggressive financial collection tactics by Toyota Motor Credit Corporation, targeting owners of inoperable vehicles.

you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
[–] 12 points 1 year ago (10 children)

I've always gotten nothing but weird vibes from proponents of hydrogen. Everyone I've ever spoken with is either sceptical and waiting for it to make sense, an unshakeable zealot, or a speculative investor who hates BEVs.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 10 child comments
  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    It can never work, the energy needed to make it is more then energy available from the H. It's like needing 1 barrel of oil to make 3/4 of a barrel of oil.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 3 child comments
  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    If that energy came from renewables then it could have some uses (wherever nothing but hydrogen will do), but yeah.

    The case with transit is such that they keep trying to invent ways not to use trains, and we just have to tap our feet and wait for them to look facts in the face.

  • source
  • parent
  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    I'm glad the ICE hydrogen engines have been coming out. Not because they're directly useful. Outside of an engineering challenge (which is perfectly fine), they have no purpose outside of some racing applications.

    I like them because it flags people who obviously have no idea what they're talking about. They like ICEs for what it is. And I do actually get that; from an engineering perspective, there's a lot of fascinating things going on inside there. However, efficiency was already hydrogen's biggest weakness. Fuel cells are 40-60% efficient, and is only one part of the hydrogen chain. You're going to replace that part of a chain with something that has traditionally struggled to get 25% efficiency? Why? You're doubling down on hydrogen's biggest weakness. This is the opposite of min-maxing.

    So anyway, if they bring that up as anything other than engineering and racing purposes, they're a moron.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 1 child comment