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[–] 121 points 1 year ago (109 children)

First: Some UK teachers exchanged the analogue with digital clocks. This was only to reduce interruptions by some students (during a specific kind of UK exams), who had trouble determining the remaining time in the heat of the exam battle.

Secondly: The use of analogue clocks is taught at UK schools. What's missing is the practice that former generations of pupils had. No more wristwatches, public clocks all but gone, and (what I am nostalgically missing from my youth) no more peeking onto parked car's dashboards to read the analogue clock there. Times have changed, and this specific partially lost ability is not the schools' fault. (Not to say that other things aren't...)

Can we please bury that stupid old meme, as it has been based on some inaccurate buzz and largely giving a completely inaccurate impression of the topic from the start...

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  • [–] 28 points 1 year ago (61 children)

    Students with dyslexia do get special treatment. There is no reason to discriminate against people lacking an unrelated skill and it's not funny to demand it so we at least agree on something

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago (57 children)

    ... in the context that many students can't read analog clocks and shouldn't get help. Pretty sure there is no official diagnosis for this so no problem and they don't deserve to know how much time they have left in a biology exam. Again, there is no reason to discriminate against people lacking unrelated skills, if diagnosed or undiagnosed.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago* (55 children)

    unable or too lazy to understand the clock,

    They can understand the clock? Just not the analog clock. Why should they anyways? It's not like that's the only way to tell time and since reading analog clocks is an unrelated skill why do u think they're not fit to write exams? It has nothing to do with IQ, it's just that analog clocks aren't as common as they used to be. Hence, they're less used to them than previous generations. They probably can learn to read them if they wanted to, but they just don't bother, since they don't really need it these days

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (53 children)

    It's not really widely used anymore.

    Alphabets can't be replaced by something easier and more convenient. But clocks can be

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago* (51 children)

    Now go to the first high street shop with watches and try again

    Digital clocks exist there too

    Calculator has replaced the need to add, multiply and divide, yet we still ask children to learn these skills.

    Cuz the mind is quicker with smaller calculations than a calculator.

    But analog clocks are harder to comprehend than digital ones

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (49 children)

    People who are unable to understand analog clocks are also likely to not be able to understand any exams.

    Nope. They don't doesn't mean they can't learn how to. They won't be able to understand exams only if they can't learn how to.

    You're basically repeating all the points I've already addressed.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (47 children)

    Since they didn't despite being taught, it means exactly this sweetie.

    Forgetting things that don't matter much is a thing honey.

    guess, you have never managed to learn the clock, have you

    I've managed to learn both the clocks, just don't have a favorite one I want to defend at all costs, baby

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago* (45 children)

    Anologue clocks are widely used

    Alright, ig they are. But not always used everywhere. People can opt for digital clock any time. If there's no digital clock somewhere you go, well, most of the time people carry digital devices which use the digital clock. There's as many digital clocks as there are smartphones. And People tend to check their smartphones a lot. Thus, they're more exposed to them. Therefore it doesn't really matter. My point still stands

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (4 children)
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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I am making sense. Not my problem you can't read. Or maybe u just hope u can gaslight me into thinking so, cuz u wanna answer it, but u dont know how to.

    I did sweetie

    "I very much doubt it."

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (38 children)

    They can have a digital clock anytime they want, thus it doesn't matter. Ig, long paragraphs hurt u

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I said this a LOT of times sweetie, pls write it down.

    Here we go.....

    BRAINS ARE FASTER WITH SMALLER CALCULATIONS THAN CALCULATORS AND ANALOG CLOCKS ARE NOT FASTER THAN DIGITAL ONES IN ANY WAYS

    Was that large enough? Can u see it?

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (29 children)

    You're ratioed in each and every comment and still you act with this feeling of superiority. I admire this level of confidence or should I say lack of self reflection.

    Where I live, students get a calculator in I think 8th or 9th grade. So at this point, it would be ok to also hang a digital clock in the classroom, right?

    If you are repeatedly misunderstood and want to change that, maybe rephrase your point if you have one. Than you might even be taken seriously.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    He's honestly so cringe. Must be a sour old guy who wants to demonstrate his superiority in the least effort taking way possible. He's made so many comments and not a single valid point. If he finds he cannot make a good argument, he turns to insulting and "rEaD aGaIn sLoWly".

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (26 children)

    You too, honestly. It reads straightforward enough. If you somehow misread his comment, that's on you. Idk if you can really ask people to read.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (24 children)

    Long before you honey. But you still haven't learnt to read I see.

    And judging by the way you're flexing that single useless skill, it must've taken you a LOT of time and energy to master. 😄

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    You, on the other hand, make fun of dyslexia.

    You're actually right, that wasn't nice.

    I actually didn't know there was such a condition before this. Ig I went overboard with the "even 6year Olds can read". I just lost patience with that ahole and decided to drop Down to his level. I thought I will criticize him for something he can't seem to do since he criticizes others personal choices.

    If the conversion was about whether dyslexic people or non native speakers should get extra time or something, would you be team "nah, they are just stupid"?

    Now that you say it, that actually sounds very much like something an asshole would say. I crossed a boundary that I wouldn't have liked to cross in my right mind. My bad, I'm sorry

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)

    I agree.

    That being said, there's a difference between having a disability and just not having had enough practice.

    Just having an analogue clock in all rooms and halls of a school is a way to give people the opportunity to get the practice.

    In higher grades you can have an analogue clock in front and a digital "cheat" one in the back. If they're not sure, they can glance at that. And if that cheat clock is only in every other room. Most will learn because it's easier that way.

    When reading the clock comes as a topic of the curriculum in 1st or 2nd grade, having the teacher ask a student to read the time periodically from the classroom clock for a few months will make sure everyone has had at least some opportunities to practice.

    Of course, if someone does have a problem bordering on disability, accomodate them. Regardless of whether their parents took the time and money to have it diagnosed or not. But a quarter of a class having it is either bad luck or just bad methodology.

    Edit: all this applies to elementary school.

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  • [–] 25 points 1 year ago (31 children)

    Honestly if you can't calculate things on an abacus you shouldn't be in the exam room tbh. Sure, calculators have been invented and have ultimately replaced the abacus in nearly every facet of day to day life, but surely you know how to add beads together?

    We're letting kids use GPS to get to school now? What the street signs and constellations aren't good enough for you?

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    What makes people who didn't learn to read analog clocks idiots? If you have a thing about analog clocks, just keep it to yourself.

    it may be because you fit the category

    Or maybe because it's just stupid af to judge people's intelligence based on an unrelated life skill.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    who are too lazy or too stupid

    They do know how to read the clock (digital ones :) ) Again, it doesn't make them idiots or lazy for not learning something they don't really need to learn

    Intelligence is an ability to obtain knowledge and skills. If someone lacks both, it is a strong indication of them not having enough intelligence to obtain them.

    What makes you think they don't have the ability to learn how to read analog clocks just because they don't? You might not know how ride a horse, but that doesn't mean you can't learn how to. Are you an idiot for not learning how to?

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Because if they did, they would have done during lessons to learn it, sweetie

    Thanks for calling me a sweetie. Love u too. Forgetting is a thing. Unlike previous generations they are not as much exposed to analog ones. Therefore they don't need to. Digital clocks are used in electronic devices etc.

    They also know how to use calculator, they just don't knot 2 times 2 is four without it. Neither have place during an exam

    Except basic math is necessary since the brain is faster with smaller calculations and analog clock really isn't that much necessary anymore. They can be replaced.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Yikes.

    Also, since you ran out of arguments and started correcting people's spelling, *then.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Why are you so adamant that reading an analog clock is required to pass an exam that doesn't feature any material related to reading analog clocks?

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (15 children)

    You don’t know how to use an abacus? You must be an idiot.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago (13 children)

    Except, they do know how to use a clock. Just not your favorite clock

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (11 children)

    Not the one widely used, but they do know how to use the clock. And they're not really that much more used than digital clocks. Therefore, it doesn't matter

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (9 children)

    It would cuz there's no better alternative. But analog clocks do have an alternative ........ Digital clocks

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    I guess spelling didn't matter to you either? 🙄

    Pointing out spelling mistakes is lame af. Yup it totally doesnt. Who cares lmfao

    Calculator is an alternative to the mental arithmetic sweetie

    And there's no alternative which allows you to use it without any required prior knowledge on how to use it. And therefore we use the calculator as an alternative for larger calculations.

    Yes we still want kids to know that 2 times 2 is four without using a calculator. Go figure why.

    Because like I said, the mind is faster with smaller calculations. And, like I said, digital clocks are more convenient alternative to analog ones.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    Kids don’t know cursive either. Nobody needs it anymore.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    I feel that learning cursive is important.

    First you learn how to write ordinary letters. That trains your fine motor skills so you can write them reliably (try writing with your non-dominant yourself hand to see).

    What cursive teaches you is how to write quickly. Of course, no one will write in pure, perfect cursive. Most people settle for a style somewhere in between. It teaches you the concept of "you can combine letters together to make you write faster" and "here are a bunch of ways to combine them". It's a good thing, Especially if they end up going to college.

    Giving them a few more weeks of practice in reading and writing is a great way to avoid them being partially illiterate.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Being "taught" cursive in school was torture, anyway.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I was taught block lettering in technical drafting class, 8th grade. Cursive is a lettering specifically created to be easy to handwrite. It flows on paper, as opposed to the repetitive short strokes of block lettering.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)

    The way they taught us cursive was the complete opposite of the intent of cursive. Rigidly proscribed characters with marks only for form, ignoring all function. It was agonizingly tedious and physically painful writing all of those nonsensical scrawls. I immediately switched back to my own chicken scratch after grade school because it was not only orders of magnitude faster, but at least didn't make my hand painfully seize up into a claw.

    Decades later, as my handwriting evolved, a number of my own script letters began to resemble those wretched cursive runes, because I had apparently blindly stumbled upon the actual correct method for writing to flow from nib to parchment, as opposed to whatever those torturous rituals scarred me with as a child.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    The problem you describe is very real, and not just in the US or the UK, but in most of Europe as well. A big part of writing is how to actually write, not just the letters et al.

    I mean the literal way you move you arm, the angle you write at, how you hold you pen, etc.

    I didn't learn any of that, and as an intensely dyslexic and left-handed individual, writing was extremely painful to me. That is, until 10th grade where I taught myself calligraphy.

    It turns out that, when learning calligraphy, you do learn how to write properly.

    After that, my handwriting in school (and for the rest of my life) became much better: I didn't have hand-pain anymore, I didn't smudge the ink, and, of course, my handwriting was very orderly and neat. Teachers even started commenting on it!

    Most notably for me though: writing became fun. For me, as a dyslexic, this literally felt revolutionary.

    Anyway, that is what I think they should teach in schools.

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