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[–] 121 points 1 year ago (109 children)

First: Some UK teachers exchanged the analogue with digital clocks. This was only to reduce interruptions by some students (during a specific kind of UK exams), who had trouble determining the remaining time in the heat of the exam battle.

Secondly: The use of analogue clocks is taught at UK schools. What's missing is the practice that former generations of pupils had. No more wristwatches, public clocks all but gone, and (what I am nostalgically missing from my youth) no more peeking onto parked car's dashboards to read the analogue clock there. Times have changed, and this specific partially lost ability is not the schools' fault. (Not to say that other things aren't...)

Can we please bury that stupid old meme, as it has been based on some inaccurate buzz and largely giving a completely inaccurate impression of the topic from the start...

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    Kids don’t know cursive either. Nobody needs it anymore.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    I feel that learning cursive is important.

    First you learn how to write ordinary letters. That trains your fine motor skills so you can write them reliably (try writing with your non-dominant yourself hand to see).

    What cursive teaches you is how to write quickly. Of course, no one will write in pure, perfect cursive. Most people settle for a style somewhere in between. It teaches you the concept of "you can combine letters together to make you write faster" and "here are a bunch of ways to combine them". It's a good thing, Especially if they end up going to college.

    Giving them a few more weeks of practice in reading and writing is a great way to avoid them being partially illiterate.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Being "taught" cursive in school was torture, anyway.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I was taught block lettering in technical drafting class, 8th grade. Cursive is a lettering specifically created to be easy to handwrite. It flows on paper, as opposed to the repetitive short strokes of block lettering.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)

    The way they taught us cursive was the complete opposite of the intent of cursive. Rigidly proscribed characters with marks only for form, ignoring all function. It was agonizingly tedious and physically painful writing all of those nonsensical scrawls. I immediately switched back to my own chicken scratch after grade school because it was not only orders of magnitude faster, but at least didn't make my hand painfully seize up into a claw.

    Decades later, as my handwriting evolved, a number of my own script letters began to resemble those wretched cursive runes, because I had apparently blindly stumbled upon the actual correct method for writing to flow from nib to parchment, as opposed to whatever those torturous rituals scarred me with as a child.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    The problem you describe is very real, and not just in the US or the UK, but in most of Europe as well. A big part of writing is how to actually write, not just the letters et al.

    I mean the literal way you move you arm, the angle you write at, how you hold you pen, etc.

    I didn't learn any of that, and as an intensely dyslexic and left-handed individual, writing was extremely painful to me. That is, until 10th grade where I taught myself calligraphy.

    It turns out that, when learning calligraphy, you do learn how to write properly.

    After that, my handwriting in school (and for the rest of my life) became much better: I didn't have hand-pain anymore, I didn't smudge the ink, and, of course, my handwriting was very orderly and neat. Teachers even started commenting on it!

    Most notably for me though: writing became fun. For me, as a dyslexic, this literally felt revolutionary.

    Anyway, that is what I think they should teach in schools.

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  • [+] -33 points 1 year ago (96 children)

    This was only to reduce interruptions by some students (during a specific kind of UK exams), who had trouble determining the remaining time in the heat of the exam battle

    I am not being funny but if someone is unable to read the time perhaps they shouldn't be in the exam room in the first place.

    It is like saying that all questions will be read out loud all the time and verbal answers recorded instead of written ones - because some students are illiterate.

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  • [–] 28 points 1 year ago (61 children)

    Students with dyslexia do get special treatment. There is no reason to discriminate against people lacking an unrelated skill and it's not funny to demand it so we at least agree on something

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)

    I agree.

    That being said, there's a difference between having a disability and just not having had enough practice.

    Just having an analogue clock in all rooms and halls of a school is a way to give people the opportunity to get the practice.

    In higher grades you can have an analogue clock in front and a digital "cheat" one in the back. If they're not sure, they can glance at that. And if that cheat clock is only in every other room. Most will learn because it's easier that way.

    When reading the clock comes as a topic of the curriculum in 1st or 2nd grade, having the teacher ask a student to read the time periodically from the classroom clock for a few months will make sure everyone has had at least some opportunities to practice.

    Of course, if someone does have a problem bordering on disability, accomodate them. Regardless of whether their parents took the time and money to have it diagnosed or not. But a quarter of a class having it is either bad luck or just bad methodology.

    Edit: all this applies to elementary school.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    The post talks explicitly about teenagers in exam halls. Don't know if "exam hall" is a term for regular class rooms but either way it talks about teenagers. True, younger kids should learn it. Even if without practice, you have a hard time as a teenager, you can revive the skill later. Source: I did.

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  • [+] -12 points 1 year ago (58 children)

    I am not referring to students with diagnosed disabilities - I am referring to the vast majority without.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago (57 children)

    ... in the context that many students can't read analog clocks and shouldn't get help. Pretty sure there is no official diagnosis for this so no problem and they don't deserve to know how much time they have left in a biology exam. Again, there is no reason to discriminate against people lacking unrelated skills, if diagnosed or undiagnosed.

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  • [+] -13 points 1 year ago (56 children)

    Let me put it this way: if someone is not disabled and still unable or too lazy to understand the clock, they shouldn't be in the exam room in the first place.

    This is not a "discrimination" - most exams are for the people with a some level of the IQ, certainly above the level of a radiator. Or a stool.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago* (55 children)

    unable or too lazy to understand the clock,

    They can understand the clock? Just not the analog clock. Why should they anyways? It's not like that's the only way to tell time and since reading analog clocks is an unrelated skill why do u think they're not fit to write exams? It has nothing to do with IQ, it's just that analog clocks aren't as common as they used to be. Hence, they're less used to them than previous generations. They probably can learn to read them if they wanted to, but they just don't bother, since they don't really need it these days

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  • [+] -8 points 1 year ago (54 children)

    Just not the analog clock. Why should they anyways?

    Because it is is widely used?

    Why should they learn alphabet in the first place? Why should they learn numbers?

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (53 children)

    It's not really widely used anymore.

    Alphabets can't be replaced by something easier and more convenient. But clocks can be

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  • [+] -6 points 1 year ago (52 children)

    It's not really widely used anymore.

    Absolute and utter rubbish. Now go to the first high street shop with watches and try again.

    But clocks can be

    Your point is?

    Maps can be easy replace with a GPS. Ability to read maps is still (and should be) on the curriculum.

    Calculator has replaced the need to add, multiply and divide, yet we still ask children to learn these skills.

    Go figure 🙄

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago* (51 children)

    Now go to the first high street shop with watches and try again

    Digital clocks exist there too

    Calculator has replaced the need to add, multiply and divide, yet we still ask children to learn these skills.

    Cuz the mind is quicker with smaller calculations than a calculator.

    But analog clocks are harder to comprehend than digital ones

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  • [–] -5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (50 children)

    Digital clocks exist there too

    Do you see the difference between "exist" and "widely spread" or you are one of these unable to learn how to use the clock?

    Cuz

    A what?

    But analog clocks are harder to comprehend than digital ones

    Yes, that's precisely my point. People who are unable to understand analog clocks are also likely to not be able to understand any exams.

    It is simple really - if you are unable to do 2 x 2 without calculator or read half past three from the analog clock, you better stick to being a bricklayer or serving burgers rather than doing exams. There is no "entitlement" to do exams.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (49 children)

    People who are unable to understand analog clocks are also likely to not be able to understand any exams.

    Nope. They don't doesn't mean they can't learn how to. They won't be able to understand exams only if they can't learn how to.

    You're basically repeating all the points I've already addressed.

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  • [+] -7 points 1 year ago (48 children)

    They don't doesn't mean they can't learn how to.

    Since they didn't despite being taught, it means exactly this sweetie.

    Let me guess, you have never managed to learn the clock, have you?

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (47 children)

    Since they didn't despite being taught, it means exactly this sweetie.

    Forgetting things that don't matter much is a thing honey.

    guess, you have never managed to learn the clock, have you

    I've managed to learn both the clocks, just don't have a favorite one I want to defend at all costs, baby

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  • [+] -6 points 1 year ago (46 children)

    Forgetting things that don't matter much is a thing honey.

    "don't matter" is a key here sweetie. Anologue clocks are widely used.

    I've managed to learn both the clocks,

    I very much doubt it.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago* (45 children)

    Anologue clocks are widely used

    Alright, ig they are. But not always used everywhere. People can opt for digital clock any time. If there's no digital clock somewhere you go, well, most of the time people carry digital devices which use the digital clock. There's as many digital clocks as there are smartphones. And People tend to check their smartphones a lot. Thus, they're more exposed to them. Therefore it doesn't really matter. My point still stands

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  • [+] -6 points 1 year ago (44 children)

    But not always used everywhere

    Your point is?

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (4 children)
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    I did sweetie. You are not making sense - not that I expected any.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I am making sense. Not my problem you can't read. Or maybe u just hope u can gaslight me into thinking so, cuz u wanna answer it, but u dont know how to.

    I did sweetie

    "I very much doubt it."

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (38 children)

    They can have a digital clock anytime they want, thus it doesn't matter. Ig, long paragraphs hurt u

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  • [+] -7 points 1 year ago (37 children)

    They also have a calculator any time they want, why are we requiring mental arithmetic, sweetie?

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I said this a LOT of times sweetie, pls write it down.

    Here we go.....

    BRAINS ARE FASTER WITH SMALLER CALCULATIONS THAN CALCULATORS AND ANALOG CLOCKS ARE NOT FASTER THAN DIGITAL ONES IN ANY WAYS

    Was that large enough? Can u see it?

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (33 children)

    So digital clocks should be allowed in exams that allow calculators? I mean both are taught in the lower grades and if calculators are allowed in high school, so should digital clocks be, at least according to your logic

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  • [–] -2 points 1 year ago (32 children)

    So digital clocks should be allowed in exams that allow calculators?

    Read again. Slowly.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (31 children)

    You said we are required mental arithmetic which isn't the case in higher education

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  • [–] -3 points 1 year ago (30 children)

    Let me take a guess: you may have heard about higher education at some point. Apart from that, read again and again. Slowly. Few times.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (29 children)

    You're ratioed in each and every comment and still you act with this feeling of superiority. I admire this level of confidence or should I say lack of self reflection.

    Where I live, students get a calculator in I think 8th or 9th grade. So at this point, it would be ok to also hang a digital clock in the classroom, right?

    If you are repeatedly misunderstood and want to change that, maybe rephrase your point if you have one. Than you might even be taken seriously.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    He's honestly so cringe. Must be a sour old guy who wants to demonstrate his superiority in the least effort taking way possible. He's made so many comments and not a single valid point. If he finds he cannot make a good argument, he turns to insulting and "rEaD aGaIn sLoWly".

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  • [–] -2 points 1 year ago (27 children)

    Read again. Slowly. And again. And again.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (26 children)

    You too, honestly. It reads straightforward enough. If you somehow misread his comment, that's on you. Idk if you can really ask people to read.

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  • [–] -2 points 1 year ago (25 children)

    Have you learned how to use the clock yet?

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (24 children)

    Long before you honey. But you still haven't learnt to read I see.

    And judging by the way you're flexing that single useless skill, it must've taken you a LOT of time and energy to master. 😄

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  • [–] -2 points 1 year ago (23 children)

    Long before you honey

    Are you sure, sweetie.

    it must've taken you a LOT of time and energy to master.

    Around 10 minutes. Not that you would be able to read this from an analogue clock...

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago* (22 children)

    Are you sure, sweetie.

    More sure than your parents when you were born sweetie.

    Around 10 minutes.

    Highly doubt it. A lot of people know how to read analog clocks but not many defend it like their life depends on it. It must've taken you majority of your childhood to learn it, if you're so proud of that trivial skill. 🤔 Buuutt, since u don't even know how to read, that's not really a surprise.

    Not that you can read all this without text-to-speech xD

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (6 children)

    Not that you can read all this without text-to-speech xD

    Where is this ablism coming from?

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (5 children)

    From your hatred for alphabets

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (4 children)

    I totally misunderstood your point. You disagreed with the guy who said only diagnosed disabilities should be treated with respect so I thought you agreed with me when I said unrelated skills shouldn't be discriminate against. Apparently the discrimination never was an issue for you. I am once again disappointed in humanity.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (3 children)

    I'm not really sure what you're talking about, but I think you might be missing context. When I said he's using text-to-speech I don't mean he's blind, I mean he can't read. Cuz in a different thread he corrected when I typed "U" and replied "*you". And he keeps saying "read again" that's why I said that? Is this what you meant?

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (2 children)

    Cuz in a different thread he corrected when I typed "U" and replied "*you".

    Totally pedantic and annoying

    And he keeps saying "read again"

    Totally annoying. I also told him to rephrase

    When I said he's using text-to-speech I don't mean he's blind, I mean he can't read.

    I reached common ground with him that diagnosed dyslexic people should get special treatment and I extended it to other unrelated skills like reading analog clocks (in biology exams). You, on the other hand, make fun of dyslexia. What context did I miss? Is ablism ok when the butt of the joke is an asshole? If the conversion was about whether dyslexic people or non native speakers should get extra time or something, would you be team "nah, they are just stupid"?

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    You, on the other hand, make fun of dyslexia.

    You're actually right, that wasn't nice.

    I actually didn't know there was such a condition before this. Ig I went overboard with the "even 6year Olds can read". I just lost patience with that ahole and decided to drop Down to his level. I thought I will criticize him for something he can't seem to do since he criticizes others personal choices.

    If the conversion was about whether dyslexic people or non native speakers should get extra time or something, would you be team "nah, they are just stupid"?

    Now that you say it, that actually sounds very much like something an asshole would say. I crossed a boundary that I wouldn't have liked to cross in my right mind. My bad, I'm sorry

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago (14 children)

    Highly doubt

    That doesn't surprise me at all since you are still unable to learn such a simple thing after all these years, sweetie.

    No wonder your bunch elected Trump for the second time. You don't learn.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    Just give it up you're not winning this argument 😭

    Anyone sane would have realised this is a useless thing to fight over

    Either that or you're a troll

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)

    Just give it up you're not winning this argument

    There is no "argument to win" since my interlocutor is a person unable even to learn the clock.

    Are you a another USian per any chance?

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (4 children)

    Yet you're horribly losing the apparently non existent argument. 🤣

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Have you learned the clock yet? I suggest learning how to read with understanding now.

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

    So, still nothing? Don't worry, baby steps. At some point you will learn these skills of an average 7 years old.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago* (6 children)

    Lol no one wants that orange clown. How tf did this get political even LMFAOAOAOAO. You're so run out of arguments, you had to bring in a politician into an argument about analog and digital clocks. You're the most unintentionally ridiculous guy I've bumped into on this platform 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

    That doesn’t surprise me at all since you are still unable to learn such a simple thing after all these years, sweetie

    Not me taking pride in a trivial thing I learnt. Just shows how hard it was for you. I learnt it and didn't make a big deal out of it, cuz Ik anyone could learn it if they wanted to.

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    you had to bring in a politician into an argument about analog and digital clocks.

    No. I am bringing an example of stupity in the thread about stupidity.

    Go figure, sweetie.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (4 children)

    It's a thread about Analog and digital clocks. Trump had no significance in it. You're something else man 😂😂😂😂 And to top it off, No one gives a shit about trump in my country 🤣🤣 you're hilarious

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    Alr, you HAVE to be trolling. If not, how are u real dude?? you do realize you're embarrassing yourself right?

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  • [–] 25 points 1 year ago (31 children)

    Honestly if you can't calculate things on an abacus you shouldn't be in the exam room tbh. Sure, calculators have been invented and have ultimately replaced the abacus in nearly every facet of day to day life, but surely you know how to add beads together?

    We're letting kids use GPS to get to school now? What the street signs and constellations aren't good enough for you?

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  • [+] -25 points 1 year ago* (30 children)

    Let me rephrase it than - if someone is an idiot, they shouldn't be in the exam room. If you are concerned about it, it may be because you fit the category.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    What makes people who didn't learn to read analog clocks idiots? If you have a thing about analog clocks, just keep it to yourself.

    it may be because you fit the category

    Or maybe because it's just stupid af to judge people's intelligence based on an unrelated life skill.

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  • [+] -17 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    What makes people who didn't learn to read analog clocks idiots?

    Wrong question. The correct would be: what make people who are too lazy or too stupid to learn the clock idiots - but that would be a rhetorical one.

    it's just stupid af to judge people's intelligence based on an unrelated life skill.

    Intelligence is an ability to obtain knowledge and skills. If someone lacks both, it is a strong indication of them not having enough intelligence to obtain them.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    who are too lazy or too stupid

    They do know how to read the clock (digital ones :) ) Again, it doesn't make them idiots or lazy for not learning something they don't really need to learn

    Intelligence is an ability to obtain knowledge and skills. If someone lacks both, it is a strong indication of them not having enough intelligence to obtain them.

    What makes you think they don't have the ability to learn how to read analog clocks just because they don't? You might not know how ride a horse, but that doesn't mean you can't learn how to. Are you an idiot for not learning how to?

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  • [+] -13 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    They do know how to read the clock

    They also know how to use calculator, they just don't knot 2 times 2 is four without it. Neither have place during an exam.

    What makes you think they don't have the ability to learn how to read analog clocks

    Because if they did, they would have done during lessons to learn it, sweetie 🙄

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Because if they did, they would have done during lessons to learn it, sweetie

    Thanks for calling me a sweetie. Love u too. Forgetting is a thing. Unlike previous generations they are not as much exposed to analog ones. Therefore they don't need to. Digital clocks are used in electronic devices etc.

    They also know how to use calculator, they just don't knot 2 times 2 is four without it. Neither have place during an exam

    Except basic math is necessary since the brain is faster with smaller calculations and analog clock really isn't that much necessary anymore. They can be replaced.

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    Yikes.

    Also, since you ran out of arguments and started correcting people's spelling, *then.

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  • [+] -9 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    "yikes" what?

    Passing exams is not an entitlement, it is an achievement. If someone is an idiot unable to understand the clock, they shouldn't be in the exam room in the first place - and they certainly shouldn't expect someone will start explaining clock to them when they are supposed to write an exam.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Why are you so adamant that reading an analog clock is required to pass an exam that doesn't feature any material related to reading analog clocks?

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (15 children)

    You don’t know how to use an abacus? You must be an idiot.

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  • [+] -13 points 1 year ago (14 children)

    No. Don't know how to use the clock? You shouldn't be in the exam room.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago (13 children)

    Except, they do know how to use a clock. Just not your favorite clock

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  • [+] -13 points 1 year ago (12 children)

    Nope. They don't know how to use the clock. The one widely used.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (11 children)

    Not the one widely used, but they do know how to use the clock. And they're not really that much more used than digital clocks. Therefore, it doesn't matter

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  • [+] -10 points 1 year ago* (10 children)

    Would it matter to you if they didn't know how to add and multiply without calculator?

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (9 children)

    It would cuz there's no better alternative. But analog clocks do have an alternative ........ Digital clocks

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  • [+] -12 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    cuz

    I guess spelling didn't matter to you either? 🙄

    no better alternative

    Calculator is an alternative to the mental arithmetic sweetie. Yes we still want kids to know that 2 times 2 is four without using a calculator. Go figure why.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    I guess spelling didn't matter to you either? 🙄

    Pointing out spelling mistakes is lame af. Yup it totally doesnt. Who cares lmfao

    Calculator is an alternative to the mental arithmetic sweetie

    And there's no alternative which allows you to use it without any required prior knowledge on how to use it. And therefore we use the calculator as an alternative for larger calculations.

    Yes we still want kids to know that 2 times 2 is four without using a calculator. Go figure why.

    Because like I said, the mind is faster with smaller calculations. And, like I said, digital clocks are more convenient alternative to analog ones.

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  • [+] -7 points 1 year ago* (6 children)

    lame af. Yup it totally doesnt. Who cares lmfao

    Yeah.... I can see why YOU are arguing clocks are too difficult 🤦

    And there's no alternative which allows you to use it without any required prior knowledge on how to use it. And therefore we use the calculator as an alternative for larger calculations.

    Now read again. Slowly.

    Actually, you are the best argument why understanding the clock should be a requirement. 🤣🤣🤣

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I can see why YOU are arguing clocks are too difficult

    Never said that. I said they're harder to comprehend than digital ones. I do know how to read an analog clock. But it doesn't matter these days. Also, correcting spelling mistakes online is the corniest thing some1 can do.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)

    Ah, okay, I can't take exams because my dyscalculia makes it difficult for me to read a clock (and it's not worth my time).

    👍

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  • [+] -7 points 1 year ago*

    No, you shouldn't pass exams if you are an idiot - and if you do take them, don't expect a special treatment because of your stupidity.

    And no, as I said people with diagnosed disability are a different matter.

    Hopefully that clarifies it for you.

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