Gov. Gavin Newsom on Friday accused the Trump administration of “rigging the election” by dispatching federal poll monitors to five California counties, as voters cast ballots on Newsom’s Proposition 50 redistricting measure.

The Department of Justice announced Friday that it would deploy personnel to polling sites in Fresno, Kern, Los Angeles, Orange and Riverside counties to “ensure transparency, ballot security, and compliance with federal law,” ahead of the state’s Nov. 4 special election.

In an interview with KQED’s Political Breakdown, Newsom said the move was a “setup” for the Trump administration to cast doubt on the potential victory of Proposition 50 — a plan to redraw the state’s congressional district lines to advantage Democrats.

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[–] 121 points 1 year ago (62 children)

This country isnt making it to the next presidential election without mass turmoil and unrest. It will be an entirely different place again by then.

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  • [–] 49 points 1 year ago (21 children)

    2026 is going to be madness. And if Democrats don’t take the house, 2028 will be the end.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago (16 children)

    We are commenting on a thread about the current president openly interfering in state elections. It can be assumed the elections will be compromised.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    So far. Trump is already threatening to change this by sending troops to cities to enforce his election rules.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (6 children)

    Constitution says no and states get to enforce that no

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (5 children)

    Are you a time traveler that has skipped past the last 9 months? Trump doesn’t care what the constitution says or about states rights. He’s sending trips in against the will of the governors.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (4 children)

    You have no idea how few the federal troops really are, you think they're more powerful than they are because you've only seen reports on where they've been striking performatively.

    If Trump sent every federal agent they had into New York city, the city could dedicate less than half of their police force to arrest them all. They wouldn't need to call the national guard, or any other security forces.

    And then there's no feds left to try anything in any other state.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

    Obviously that’s now how it’s going to work. They will strategically send them to polling places where the margins between democrats and republicans is close enough. Send 10 guardsmen and 3 ICE agents to each of these polling places and that may be all it takes to keep the house in 2026.

    Below article tells you the 27 districts they will focus on first. How many guardsmen and ICE agents would you need to make any impact on 27 districts?

    https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/analysis-opinion/competitive-districts-will-decide-control-house

    Edit: that link was from 2024 btw. 2026 probably has a new set of districts.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (2 children)

    Only the smaller states are at any real risk, and only if they don't cooperate with the larger democratic states to place troops to protect the sites

    There's more than enough available to the states if they decide to enforce safety that the feds simply can't do anything

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    Are you just describing a full on civil war? There’s not going to be any states protecting other states.

    Some of the competitive districts will be in republican states, so they’ll invite the military in (Gov Lee of TN doing this already in Memphis).

    For other states, they will need to decide how much they want to escalate the confrontation with the federal government. Places like Arizona or Arkansas may not be able to at all.

    And, Republicans only need to win enough seats to maintain the house after their redistricting BS.

    Anyway, I hope I’m only describing a sci-fi/fantasy movie, but seeing the lack of respect Trump has for democracy already, I am not that hopeful.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    No, I'm describing sending armed security that outnumber what the feds try to send.

    If the feds think they still can instigate shit when outnumbered, they might end up starting a civil war - but the states wouldn't start it.

    There's already other stuff like the health compacts in place between some states. Voting safety compacts might also happen

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    No shit Nate. Y'all need to update your talking points, that one doesn't hold water anymore.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Who's the one with talking points? Because that one's from the constitution. Push the states to oppose Trump's interference

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    It's not a binary issue. Elections have been getting more and more compromised for decades. 2026 will be even more compromised. They will not be entirely compromised, and we have to keep working from the assumption that they won't be unwinnable, even while preparing for the possibility that we might not win them.

    Honestly, I fear that Democrats are more responsible for hurting their chances than Republicans. Even as bad as things have gotten, the Democratic establishment has continued to dig in and refuse to give any ground whatsoever to progressives. It's becoming a real mask-off moment for a lot of rank and file liberals.

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  • [–] 33 points 1 year ago

    I’m pretty sure we’ve crossed that rubicon, the last election was just that. Cross your fingers if you must, but I don’t believe for one second that votes matter anymore in the “united” states.

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  • [–] 28 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Stop relying on elections to save you. You can't vote your way out of fascism. The only way out is through mass civil unrest. Strikes, blackouts, protests.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    But that point of contention is too important. Dems need to take the house in order to build the narrative that precedes the unrest. It's going to be a lot harder to send that message if they appear too unpopular to do that.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago

    That's why they need to control the media narratives.
    And why they want to make negative opinions of the regime illegal.
    Once they've made it illegal and can control the media they now have created an environment of fear where no one even trusts their neighbor.
    The knock on effect is that it is now harder to organize resistance because even expressing dissent has been outlawed.

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  • [+] -17 points 1 year ago (38 children)

    Yup. America is fucked for the foreseeable. No one trusts the system anymore. In 2020, the MAGA said the election was stolen. In 2024, the Dems said the same thing(Thankfully, they didnt storm the capitol like fucking morons though).

    America is definitely on a path of some to a hard showdown. Not trusting the system, thinking that the only way you can lose is because the other side cheated... nothing good comes from that. The Republican party needs to take back control from the MAGA fuckwits. This extremism on their end is radicalising elements of the left that are becoming the other side of the MAGA coin. And thats only going to make more MAGA morons.

    Someone, ANYONE, needs to get that party back to being just corrupt again. Cos what they are now is fucking silly. And by silly, I mean dangerous as fuck.

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  • [–] 33 points 1 year ago* (5 children)

    In 2024, the Dems said the same thing(Thankfully, they didnt storm the capitol like fucking morons though).

    I think saying this kind of stuff is SO dishonest. Every election you can find people saying the election was stolen. But that is not even remotely close to what the Republicans did in 2020.

    Every presidential nominee has conceded except for Trump. Even Al Gore, whose election literally was stolen by the Republicans in the Supreme Court, still conceded for the benefit of democracy.

    So please stop spreading this kind of stuff. It only normalizes what Trump did and will do in 2028.

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    Look, Trump literally tried to steal the election in 2020. If his mob had successfully stopped the congress vote, I believe Trump would not have left office. That is unlike anything that has ever happened before from either party.

    So for you to act like a handful of people might have said Trump stole the 2024 election is the same thing is incredibly dishonest. And it is exactly what the fascist wants.

    Reality: Trump tried to stay in office after he lost the election. Never conceded. Harris conceded immediately and left office.

    You: People on both sides say the election was stolen. They’re the same.

    See how you are being dishonest by saying this?

    And saying that Trump is going to try the same thing in 2028 is also not the same. He’s already done it, and this time he is building his own private army and sending military into the streets. This is not a time where you can say “both sides are similarly wrong”.

    Edit: Just to add my exclamation point, there have been individual senators that have objected to the certification of votes, but NEVER like the republicans in 2020. The Republican Party was complicit in Trump’s attempt to steal 2020 in a way Democrats never have.

    Senators Josh Hawley of Missouri, Ted Cruz of Texas, Tommy Tuberville of Alabama, Cindy Hyde-Smith of Mississippi, Roger Marshall of Kansas and John Kennedy of Louisiana voted to overturn the results in Arizona, while 93 senators voted against.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    It's fucking proven that he cheated in 16 and 20 and since we did nothing to stop him 24 is a given. Give your balls a tug.

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  • And its proven that youre lot have cheated as well, as you can see in another post. Stop trying to tell me that the party that made sure in 2020, that Americans had no chance of getting free healthcare by forcing Biden into the nom, are the good guys here. They stolen the nom in 2016, and they did it again in 2020, and again in 2024. And you lot keep on thinking they are the ones to free you from this nightmare... Jesus christ.

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  • [–] 20 points 1 year ago (9 children)

    My guy, the Republican Party is MAGA. There's nothing to go back to. It has been irreversibly transformed.

    I'll set aside other comments I want to make. But it's important to realize that point.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    You're a Republican aren't you? You voted for this, didn't you? Scratch a both sideser, find a MAGAt.

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Im not even American. Im a Scottish socialist, with eyeballs that work properly. Step out of your echo chamber, touch some grass, its fun.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    You're a Russian propaganda bot based on all your talking points.

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  • [–] 27 points 1 year ago (16 children)

    Harris is DID NOT say the election was stolen. She did the exact opposite of what Trump did. She conceded and acknowledged result of the vote.

    On Nov 6 she said:

    … we must accept the results of this election. Earlier today, I spoke with President-elect Trump and congratulated him on his victory. I also told him that we will help him and his team with their transition and that we will engage in a peaceful transfer of power.

    A fundamental principle of American democracy is that when we lose an election, we accept the results. That principle as much as any other distinguishes democracy from monarchy or tyranny, and anyone who seeks the public trust must honor it.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (11 children)

    Trump sends a mob to the capital building to stop the certification of an election. A guy on the internet says there were some irregularities.

    u/Bennyboybumberchums: iTs ThE sAmE pIcTuRe

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago* (9 children)

    Never said it was, thats just what you took it to mean

    You absolutely are. And the rest of your comment only doubled down on it. Quit equating what Trump did in 2020 to what random people on the internet said one time. It is not even comparable.

    Saying this kind of stuff only gives Trump and his supporters justification for doing the same thing or worse next time.

    And if you think my comment was “treating you like shit”, you probably need to get off the internet. I was as respectful in saying “you are 100% wrong” as possible.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Their "treating others on the internet like shit" comment killed me when they are being an absolute cunt throughout their comments.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Honestly, I’ve never been so unsure if I’m talking to a real human before.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    Yeah, they don't seem to know what they want to say, they've been fingerpointing and blaming and trying to reframe their statements as others misunderstanding when really they just weren't clear.

    Just wants to sow confusion if they even realize what they are doing. Because some points are correct, but then there is a load of hogwash, equivocating, and I hesitate to frame it this way because of overuse/misuse but, narcissistic gaslighting tactics.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

    In 2020, the MAGA said the election was stolen. In 2024, the Dems said the same thing

    So when you said this, you were just talking about all the same people that complain about elections every single election cycle (2000, 2004, 2008, 2012, 2016…)? The people that have never trusted the system? And not the one group that was actually different from every other year?

    Cause in Dec of 2020, the maga friendly friends of mine were making this exact same comment. “Democrats complained about 2016, Republicans are complaining now, no difference”. And they were pretty fucking quiet when Trump attempted an actual insurrection.

    And in 2028, when Trump runs for his 3rd term, they are going to be making the exact same comment you just made.

    so you could treat a stranger on the internet like shit

    I dont give a shit what you "think".

    if you really are that fucking stupid

    then you really are one of the dumbest fucker of mothers to even grace the internet with your horrible takes.

    youre a culture war moron thats had your brain rotted by the reddit echo chamber.

    You come across as the kind of person that is surrounded by assholes, but doesn’t realize who the actual asshole is.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Going in circles now, but like I said, you sound exactly like the maga friends in Dec 2020 who were quiet as a mouse about the actual insurrection attempt.

    So my initial response to that statement is to push back against the narrative that they wanted to push forward and are going to push forward again when Trump does the same shit in 2028 he did in 2020.

    If your intent was to say people don’t trust the system anymore and you accidentally used a fascist friendly talking point, then I totally agree. But I would again push back that the party that has already attempted an insurrection and is currently sending actual military into democratic cities is a little more to blame for this.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Yes, we are going in circles because you refuse to admit that you were wrong, and jumped to a conclusion so you call me names. These arent fascist talking points either.

    The morons who attacked the capitol were rightly called out at the time. Sure, the right wingers tried to down play it as "just a bunch of people protesting" and that "the police let them in.". But we all saw what it was, and the fact that some morons tried to spin it isnt anything new. During the riots that followed the murder of George Floyd, similar things happened only the roles were reverse. With "the left" ignoring or downplaying the bad things that happening. At least 19 people were killed during those riots. When it was a cop doing the killing, "the left" were all over it. When it was looters doing the killing, all of sudden we had to focus on how peaceful the protests were. And they were, Im not going to say they werent. The vast majority of protests were peaceful. But some werent, and in those cases "the left" did the exact same thing that "the right" did during the Jan 6th "protest". They were slow to criticise it, and were quick to make excuses for it once they did. If 2020 showed us anything, its that people these days on both sides are only too happy to have violence, just as long as its to "their sides" benefit.

    Let me be crystal clear, so there is no mistake. I do not like either party. I think they are both corrupt and focus on serving the party and their rich donors before the people. I can point to reasons why this is true of both. The media, not any better. It stopped being about truth a long time ago. Now its about clicks and engagement. If that means lying, so be it, they'll do it. And if you do what the truth, or at least to know the biases of the news media thats telling the you "the truth", you have to pay for it on a monthly basis.

    What I want is for everyone, left and right, to start looking at the people that want their vote. Not the party they align with. Look at their actions, before the words that come in easily digestible sound bites. The Dems are no ones saviour and neither are the Republicans. But that doesnt mean that you cant find people with in those parties that are worth your vote. The most obvious example of that for the Dems being AOC. She clearly not the pocket of party leaders or donors, and shes never shied away from speaking her mind, even when its been against her political interests to do so.

    On the right side of aisle you have people like Daniel Thatcher. Hes not going to be perfect, but he doesnt appear to be raging lunatic either. On the subject of Trans rights for example he was asked "What should the government do about it?" and his answer was "Nothing. We should leave you alone.". His belief is clearly that of actual small government, that that government has no place in telling people how to live. He also doesnt appear to have come out strongly one way or the other on the other big talking points of immigration and abortion. But his being reasonable on the Trans rights issue shows, IMO, that hes someone that can get the party back to the business of not being utter cunts.

    Another is Juan Ciscomani. On abortion he opposes the nation wide ban, but he does support limiting abortion to 15 weeks. Which is fine, IMO. And while he supports border security, hes shown that open to reform and protections, especially for children. I cant find anything about his views on issue of Trans Rights.

    This idea that we all have to hate and wish death on each other because of a label, is insane. Being one thing, doesnt make you all the things that another who shares that label is. This extremism needs to end, because its radicalising people to the point that they feel comfortable saying that children should be murdered. Not just out loud, but online...

    “Don't let it stop with him. Get rid of the whole family, his wife and kids too. Get rid of them all."

    TikTok user Noryy Bell.

    We all need to drink a really big tall glass of calm the fuck down.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago

    I mean very different league, but there are studies reports noting some extreme irregularities in several key cities. IE juristictions where hundreds voted for the democratic senator, but zero votes for harris etc...

    but yes obviously the key huge thing to point out is democratic represenatives and candidates. aren't loudly screaming those on the news and twixxer etc... to encourage mass civil unrest

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    There's been evidence of Republican slanted election interference for decades, don't both sides this shit.

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    Bad bot, the primary bullshit didn't play, you need to update your propaganda points.

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  • Whats its like being in a cult? Whats it like being the very thing that you point at MAGA for? I mean, I couldnt spoon feed you any better than this. You want to claim its not both sides trying to get a leg up in nefarious ways, I just gave you examples of why it is. You want to claim that only Republicans are corrupt, while ignoring the other things I said about Nancy Pelosi fucking over AOC to hold her back from making a run in 2028. You ignore the facts, because youre in a cult. Its a different cult to MAGA, but its still a cult. And you act the same as they do, ignoring and arguing against whats going on out in the open.

    Just last year, in broad daylight, the Dems elected a 75 year old man dying of cancer into the top position of the house committee, instead of a 35 year old woman in her prime. Thats fucking boomers, looking after their own interests, and telling the younger generations to take a fucking walk! And it happened right in front of your fucking face! And all you have to say is "bad bot"... Fucking insane.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    Someone, ANYONE, needs to get that party back to being just corrupt again.

    That's precisely what created MAGA. That's the swamp.

    The Democrats did purge the radicals... and that was their base. Over decades, America's heartland was sold out to corporations and the urban Brunch Democrats didn't care. The small farms are gone. Then right wing Democrats told middle America that the economy was fine when it most clearly was not.

    Biden was a moderate. Harris was a moderate. What's that definition of insanity again?

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