Greek philosophers in 300 BC: Hey, so electoralism is a rigged game, because only wealthy and prestigious families have enough money to finance the popularity contest to get themselves or their puppet candidates elected.

Marxists in the 1800s: Electoralism is a rigged game. Capitalists stack every election with their puppets. Political power is subservient to economic power.

Liberals in the 2020s: No, electoralism has never worked. But it might work for us this time.
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[–] 7 points 1 year ago (7 children)

Which greek philosophers said that? and what did they say? do you have any sources to confirm?

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  • [–] [S] 25 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (6 children)

    Both plato and aristotle, but aristotle thought that any election-based state turned out in practice, to be an oligarchy or aristocracy, not a democracy (which he define as rule by the poor, with random selection by lot).

    Aristotle's politics books 4-6 talk a lot about this:

    http://classics.mit.edu/Aristotle/politics.4.four.html

    In other words, what today we call "representative democracy", the ancient greeks correctly identified as oligarchy.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    Did the greeks suggest any replacement?

    I see electoralism weaknesses, but what other systems are less prone to power capture and then raw authoritarianism?

    If people don't choose their representation, then who does? Or is representation the flaw?

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  • [+] -15 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Your response is rational, informational, based in fact, and measurable.

    The original image is uncited incendiary garbage. This is not a time where we need more division and infighting. If you can't be nice, please just stick to the facts.

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