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The Sodium-Ion Battery Revolution Has Started (cleantechnica.com)
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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.bestiver.se/post/693048

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[–] 1 point 1 year ago (6 children)

resulting in Wh/kg increasing by 6 to 10 times and $/Wh dropping about 99%.

And yet, a Tesla model S costs $10,000 more than 2012.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Tesla, the company run by a nazi capitalist and which has a value so inflated it’s amazing it hasn’t imploded under its own weight, raises it’s prices and you’re blaming batteries? You do know that every saving a corporation makes goes towards profits and that they never lower their prices as long as people are buying(and even then, they refuse to most of the time)?

    There’s correlation not equalling causation and then there’s whatever the hell this is. Like one of the final bosses of that logical fallacy.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    It's not just Musk. All the legacy automakers switched fast to EVs because of the higher profit margins, and have been obfuscating the fact that at recent battery prices, EVs should cost less than ICE. To try and add value, they festoon the vehicles with pointless gadgetry and screens, which of course will all fail long before the battery. By Design.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I'll take out of context quotes for $100, Alex.

    Those changes are over 40 years, only 13 years of which apply to your reference, and include only one component of a luxury vehicle. Also, the current base price for a Tesla Model S that it showed me was $150k. If we apply inflation to $140k since 2012 ($150k minus the $10k you said), we get a value of $197k. So, $47k cheaper in 2025 dollars.

    I suppose you blame battery prices for why McDonalds costs more, too?

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    But Elon told us EVs cost more than ICE because of battery costs. There are hundreds less components in EV versus ICE, and there could be even less if they removed the pointless gadgetry. As for the McDonalds comment, which makes no sense, maybe loosen your ponytail elastic.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    The McDonalds point is in reference to inflation, which will certainly have an impact on the cost of vehicles. And I feel like you don't grasp the concept of a luxury vehicle. By definition, it has more than the basics. This could be why my EV cost less than $20k used and a Model S costs $151k new. No ponytail, but I don't expect having one would hinder my basic math, economics, or English comprehension skills.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    look at EV prices in china for a more accurate depiction of the battery progress that is being made

    apparently the government EV subsidy for outright purchases ended in 2022, but they're good enough at the manufacturing now that EVs are still exceptionally cheap. 70-80% of world lithium-ion production also takes place in China, so it makes sense.

    There's a lot of reasons that I don't like the Chinese government, but they have been doing a whole lot better than the rest of the world with investment into the future of technology from what I've seen. The number of top-rated CS and EE schools in China is doing a whole lot on its own.

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