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Nvidia and TSMC produce the first Blackwell wafer made in the U.S. — chips still need to be shipped back to Taiwan to complete the final product (www.tomshardware.com)
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[–] 23 points 1 year ago (24 children)

This is of course drawing lines on a projected globe, rather than straight lines on a round globe. But the reality is not much better—Argentina is almost exactly on the other side of the planet from Thailand. 🫣 Thailand's antipode is just off the coast of Peru, so very close to Argentina.

Really, really irresponsible use of resources. Especially if these pears are shipped by sea. Then it's even worse.

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  • [–] [S] 35 points 1 year ago (20 children)

    Especially if these pears are shipped by sea. Then it’s even worse.

    Shipping via sea is the cheapest and least greenhouse gas producing way to ship things. With the only exception being pipes, which are significantly better than ships on both fronts. However, we shouldn't be shipping peaches via pipe. ;p

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  • [–] 18 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    We absolutely should so I can put the end of that pipe in my mouth

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Transoceanic pipe cargo lines could be nice. Vacuuming cargo out, pushing in. Like trains, except with no life support concerns.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (10 children)

    Ah yeah, I failed to consider that, but it's at least an even longer route by sea. 😅

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (9 children)

    Longer than what? By plane?

    Not not but much...

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (8 children)

    Than by anything.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    By sea is an extremely direct route, and by land isn't an option, so yeah, the only comparison left is by air. And shipping by air is less efficient in all respects except time.

    So saying this route is especially inefficient by sea is just a confusing statement.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (6 children)

    By sea is an extremely direct route

    Maybe if you ship it from the very South of Argentina (maybe they do?), otherwise it's a significant detour to go around South America whichever way you go.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago* (5 children)

    I just looked it up, it's a huge distance between Thailand and Argentina, about 17,000 km if you were flying. Going around the tip of South America adds an extra 1000 km, making the trip 6% longer. Meh.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (4 children)

    What are you saying? It's longer. That's my only point. Are you saying it's not longer... "enough"? What's the deal here, what are we doing?

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (3 children)

    I mean, yes. It isn't longer enough to make sea travel anything but the most efficient method to ship something.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (2 children)

    That's not the point, the point is how long it is to ship fucking pears halfway around the globe, twice. Imagine the stuff you'd need to smear on those pears to keep them fresh, or how unripe they'd need to be when harvesting.

    I'm not talking about how efficient sea shipping is vs flying or driving.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)

    I'm not talking about how efficient sea shipping is vs flying or driving.

    Well I guess that was what made the original statement confusing, because that's definitely what it sounded like you were saying . I imagine this feels like a frustrating conversation (and I am sorry for that), but it's probably because of that lack of clarity.

    I mean you said traveling by sea was especially inefficient, mentioning the huge waste of resources. I think it's reasonable to interpret that the way I did.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    Shipping via sea is the cheapest and least greenhouse gas producing way to ship things.

    AFAIK all ships still run on fuel. Esecially the huge ones.

    While a lot of emmissions are "hidden" in the infrastructure, ships still have infrastructure: the ports and terminals weren't always there like the sea. Less infrastructures than other modes to be sure, but certainly not "free".

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    The fact that the result can apparently still manage to show up in a store cheaper than peaches grown and packed locally just goes to show how fucked up the economics in Argentina and Thailand are.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago

    The economy of the entire globe is designed to siphon money into the West. Third world nations largely aren’t responsible for the failures of their economies, it’s mostly because the West is doing imperialism.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago

    For whatever reason, this method was deemed cheaper. Resources cost money, and you can count on business not blowing money for giggles. You never know what weird shit goes on behind the scenes in a trade you're not familiar with.

    Hard to imagine a case for this one though! I fear there may be government fuckery like tariffs involved.

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