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Nvidia and TSMC produce the first Blackwell wafer made in the U.S. — chips still need to be shipped back to Taiwan to complete the final product (www.tomshardware.com)
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[–] [S] 35 points 1 year ago (20 children)

Especially if these pears are shipped by sea. Then it’s even worse.

Shipping via sea is the cheapest and least greenhouse gas producing way to ship things. With the only exception being pipes, which are significantly better than ships on both fronts. However, we shouldn't be shipping peaches via pipe. ;p

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  • [–] 18 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    We absolutely should so I can put the end of that pipe in my mouth

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Transoceanic pipe cargo lines could be nice. Vacuuming cargo out, pushing in. Like trains, except with no life support concerns.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (10 children)

    Ah yeah, I failed to consider that, but it's at least an even longer route by sea. 😅

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (9 children)

    Longer than what? By plane?

    Not not but much...

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (8 children)

    Than by anything.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    By sea is an extremely direct route, and by land isn't an option, so yeah, the only comparison left is by air. And shipping by air is less efficient in all respects except time.

    So saying this route is especially inefficient by sea is just a confusing statement.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (6 children)

    By sea is an extremely direct route

    Maybe if you ship it from the very South of Argentina (maybe they do?), otherwise it's a significant detour to go around South America whichever way you go.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago* (5 children)

    I just looked it up, it's a huge distance between Thailand and Argentina, about 17,000 km if you were flying. Going around the tip of South America adds an extra 1000 km, making the trip 6% longer. Meh.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (4 children)

    What are you saying? It's longer. That's my only point. Are you saying it's not longer... "enough"? What's the deal here, what are we doing?

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (3 children)

    I mean, yes. It isn't longer enough to make sea travel anything but the most efficient method to ship something.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (2 children)

    That's not the point, the point is how long it is to ship fucking pears halfway around the globe, twice. Imagine the stuff you'd need to smear on those pears to keep them fresh, or how unripe they'd need to be when harvesting.

    I'm not talking about how efficient sea shipping is vs flying or driving.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)

    I'm not talking about how efficient sea shipping is vs flying or driving.

    Well I guess that was what made the original statement confusing, because that's definitely what it sounded like you were saying . I imagine this feels like a frustrating conversation (and I am sorry for that), but it's probably because of that lack of clarity.

    I mean you said traveling by sea was especially inefficient, mentioning the huge waste of resources. I think it's reasonable to interpret that the way I did.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    Shipping via sea is the cheapest and least greenhouse gas producing way to ship things.

    AFAIK all ships still run on fuel. Esecially the huge ones.

    While a lot of emmissions are "hidden" in the infrastructure, ships still have infrastructure: the ports and terminals weren't always there like the sea. Less infrastructures than other modes to be sure, but certainly not "free".

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