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[–] 26 points 1 year ago (25 children)

Oh not throwing shade, it was a masterclass of expressing dissatisfaction and gave the ice agents exactly the amount of respect they deserve.

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  • [–] 23 points 1 year ago (14 children)

    Vulgarity, yelling and screaming actually were very useful in that situation and were perfect for the intended outcome, to be intimidating. I think that was the perfect choice for expressing how he felt and to get the result he wanted.

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    I think that your attitude towards communication is based off of an assumption that academic centric linguistics are inherently intellectually superior and appropriate for all social situations, and that by having this view you view yourself as intellectually superior to others who do not subscribe to that manner of speaking at all times, and enjoy passing judgement on others as inferior to you because they use the word fuck.

    This is a narrow view of linguistics, social dynamics, politics and debate.

    The primary goal of that man was to get those ICE agents away from those Hispanic looking people and to leave. These agents are unlikely to have their mind changed with calm, reasonable debate. In fact, these types of people view that style of communication as weak, and would have not been intimidated or moved to leave.

    So, in that regard, yes, that was a master class of communication, because he used his words, and only his words, to get two armed people to not kidnap people off of the streets and leave.

    A calm, intellectual debate would not have worked.

    I suggest that you consider how you attitude is, frankly, a little classist, and narrow in scope.

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  • [–] 22 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    We aren't trying to change their minds. We want them to fucking leave.

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    It appeares that they left...

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago

    If these dudes cared about facts they wouldn't be participating in ICE. There's no changing their minds. Best option is for them to go home and dome themselves when they realize how worthless they are and that no one decent will ever care about them.

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  • [–] 21 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    I want every ICE agent to go home and cry themselves to sleep because everyone is mean to them, and dread going to work in the morning because everyone fucking hates them. They can choose to quit whenever they want and be happier afterwards.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago

    That would be a fascinating thing to see, this guy as the 'bad cop' and then someone next to him being the 'good cop' saying things like 'You have all this training and experience. There are people out there who need your help. You could be out there helping them, saving families instead of tearing them apart. You could be someone's hero instead of the henchmen of a villain who uses you as a disposable, nameless distraction from his own crimes.' or something like that.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago

    Lmao, yeah, you nailed the guy filming this as a blue-haired land whale. Spot on, buddy. Lol, man.

    So, since you're in your armchair, telling Americans to simultaneously not let this happen in the first place and also providing zero actual answer on what to do, why don't you give real suggestions, coach? I mean, obviously, if you're not a dumbfuck, you could easily lay out a multi-step plan for anyone to follow. Preferably, one that doesn't start in 2016, because the rest of us live in reality.

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Your heart is broken easily. I'd toughen up.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Nope. Not me. But you're getting bodied in these comments and you're still trying, I don't know whether it's sad or impressive.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    Let's see. "It breaks my heart" a saying meaning "this makes me really sad" so, if my comment makes you really sad, I stand by my statement, you need to toughen up. So yes, I am sure. You're trying sooo hard to make something out of nothing. You're trying so hard to make it seem like I'm somehow the idiot in this exchange when what I said made total sense, you just don't want it to make sense, because you're feeling really insecure about how wrong you are in all this.

    Wrap it up buttercup.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    It seems to be the only language these "agents" understand. Part of resisting a fascist regime is demoralizing their followers where they start to lose confidence in their choices and leaders direction.

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    I get what you're saying and theoretically you're right in some contexts but I would just like to say that I think you're completely wrong here.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    As somebody that has always been diplomatic in conflict resolution.: I feel that talking is too late. They don't care, they have an agenda, they will carry it out.

    You can talk out a problem with a rational thinking person, but you can't reason with the people that think what they are doing is OK.

    There was a newer study that has identified a personality trait. It identifies the type of person that supports hairbrained ideas from a person they'd normally not agree with if they feel they are winning against the enemy.

    So you have Christians who should denounce Trump for what he is and has done, but they feel empowered because he's helping the fight the enemy.

    The whole American I got mine mentality personified To change their mind means they are losing.

    My old inlaws grew up in wartime Germany, they describe what we see today as exactly how Hitler swayed the country. It wasn't till other countries stepped in with violence that the German populartion came to their senses. Talking to your neighbour about them supporting the SS changed noones mind ( that believed the Jews were the enemy.)

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