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[–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca -4 points 1 year ago (25 children) 1 843 701 US prison population 1 686 108 China prison population permalink fedilink source hideshow 25 child comments replies: [–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 21 points 1 year ago* (18 children) The trick is to always assume "China is lying about its internal statistics" and inflate whatever number they give by an arbitrary large percentage. 1.7M is obviously an under-count because the CCP is always lying about everything. Also, you can do some broad brush "Everyone in Tibet, Xinjiang, Hong Kong, North Korea, and Taiwan are prisoners of the Chinese state, so actually that's over 60M people" napkin math to make the numbers look better. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 18 child comments replies: [–] wpb@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago* (14 children) I think this is a good rule of thumb in general. When statistics agree with my preconceived notions, I consider them trustworthy, and if not, I assume that reality lines up with what I expect. For example, the referendum in held in the Baltics about leaving the USSR ended in favor of leaving, which I think is a good example of a trustworthy statistic. But the subsequent referendum in the remaining members ended in favor of staying in the USSR, and I think that's a little suspicious, don't you? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 14 child comments replies: [–] davel@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 year ago (2 children) When statistics agree with my preconceived notions, I consider them trustworthy, and if not, I assume that reality lines up with what I expect. I… thought you were being sarcastic. This is an obvious and severe flaw to have in one’s rational thinking. prejudice (noun) 1. The act or state of holding unreasonable preconceived judgments or convictions. 2. An adverse judgment or opinion formed unfairly or without knowledge of the facts. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] wpb@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (1 child) With much love and respect I ask you to please read the remainder of my comments in this thread. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] davel@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago oic. Carry on, comrade. permalink fedilink source parent [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 year ago (11 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [–] wpb@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago (3 children) It's suspicious because it disagrees with my preconceived notions about communism. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 year ago (3 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] wpb@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago* (2 children) See now there you've made a crucial error. You're recommending a book which, while it has some criticism of the specifics of how the USSR implemented socialism, on the whole it's quite positive about the idea of establishing a dictatorship of the proletariat in general. Obviously that disagrees with my preconceived notion that humans are greedy, and that therefore capitalism is good, so I would never read a source that contradicts this, because I would have to dismiss most of it outright. And that's just a hassle. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 year ago* (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] wpb@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (1 child) Look, it's like the scientific method, right? You start with a theory, and then you gather a bunch of data, and the stuff that agrees with your theory you keep, and the stuff that doesn't you either dismiss outright, or you rationalize. I feel like I really can't make my position any more obvious than that. I appreciate your patience and your continued efforts to educate folks on this website, but I think you're barking up the wrong tree here. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 year ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] wpb@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago It's sarcasm yes. I figured dropping a phrase like dicatorship of the proletariat would give up the game (honestly I thought my very first comment in the thread was already laying it on thick), but Poe's law in action I guess. I do really appreciate you, keep up the good work. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies) [–] cepelinas@sopuli.xyz -3 points 1 year ago (6 children) How can I say this in .ml-ese? Hmmm, try asking the folks who actually lived in those places. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago (6 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] cepelinas@sopuli.xyz -2 points 1 year ago (5 children) Where you from? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago (5 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] cepelinas@sopuli.xyz -4 points 1 year ago (4 children) I wasn't born in the Soviet union, but I have asked lots of more older people, all were negative, the best thing they said was that they built schools... and those were mostly the ones they destroyed, and have you noticed a pattern in .ml users which support what the Soviet union most if not all of them didn't experience it or live in a place where it was you just glaze china, Russia and etc. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Shatur@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children) I've asked many people who were born in the USSR, and I think about half of them feel that the shit we’ve had since then is way worse. It wasn't perfect by any means, but I think we should have improved it with reforms instead of splitting into poor countries and giving all the power to oligarchs. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] cepelinas@sopuli.xyz 1 point 1 year ago (2 children) What country maybe it is a local thing? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Shatur@lemmy.ml 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) Ukraine. Of course, it could just be a local thing since it depends on your social circle. But the things my parents told me make total sense to me. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] cepelinas@sopuli.xyz 2 points 1 year ago Lithuania. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies) [–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca -2 points 1 year ago (2 children) No, Occupied China doesn’t control DPRK or ROC If we play that game we can’t trust American numbers either so the whole conversation becomes pointless permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] AntiOutsideAktion@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 year ago ILikeNazis permalink fedilink source parent [–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago If we play that game we can’t trust American numbers either 😏 permalink fedilink source parent [–] Olgratin_Magmatoe@slrpnk.net 9 points 1 year ago (5 children) On its own that's misleading, you should be using the per capita stats. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Bloomcole@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago I'm sure he hasn't got a clue how many Chinese there are, or where China is. All that matters is China bad, commie bad permalink fedilink source parent [+] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca -12 points 1 year ago (3 children) Per capita is misleading, it over represents low populations and under represents high populations When you use it, it makes Canadian cities appear more violent than American cities as an example permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Hawk@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 1 year ago And yet, the USA still the 5th highest in incarceration numbers and the highest in absolute numbers. I'd say that tells you enough permalink fedilink source parent [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 13 points 1 year ago* (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca -2 points 1 year ago (1 child) Yes, I can read the graphic and my own post permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] Jax@sh.itjust.works -7 points 1 year ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Bloomcole@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago Blue MAGA denying facts, literally the actual numbers and think that we just "feel' it's true" are pretty much the same as MAGA. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies)
[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 21 points 1 year ago* (18 children) The trick is to always assume "China is lying about its internal statistics" and inflate whatever number they give by an arbitrary large percentage. 1.7M is obviously an under-count because the CCP is always lying about everything. Also, you can do some broad brush "Everyone in Tibet, Xinjiang, Hong Kong, North Korea, and Taiwan are prisoners of the Chinese state, so actually that's over 60M people" napkin math to make the numbers look better. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 18 child comments replies: [–] wpb@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago* (14 children) I think this is a good rule of thumb in general. When statistics agree with my preconceived notions, I consider them trustworthy, and if not, I assume that reality lines up with what I expect. For example, the referendum in held in the Baltics about leaving the USSR ended in favor of leaving, which I think is a good example of a trustworthy statistic. But the subsequent referendum in the remaining members ended in favor of staying in the USSR, and I think that's a little suspicious, don't you? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 14 child comments replies: [–] davel@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 year ago (2 children) When statistics agree with my preconceived notions, I consider them trustworthy, and if not, I assume that reality lines up with what I expect. I… thought you were being sarcastic. This is an obvious and severe flaw to have in one’s rational thinking. prejudice (noun) 1. The act or state of holding unreasonable preconceived judgments or convictions. 2. An adverse judgment or opinion formed unfairly or without knowledge of the facts. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] wpb@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (1 child) With much love and respect I ask you to please read the remainder of my comments in this thread. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] davel@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago oic. Carry on, comrade. permalink fedilink source parent [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 year ago (11 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [–] wpb@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago (3 children) It's suspicious because it disagrees with my preconceived notions about communism. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 year ago (3 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] wpb@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago* (2 children) See now there you've made a crucial error. You're recommending a book which, while it has some criticism of the specifics of how the USSR implemented socialism, on the whole it's quite positive about the idea of establishing a dictatorship of the proletariat in general. Obviously that disagrees with my preconceived notion that humans are greedy, and that therefore capitalism is good, so I would never read a source that contradicts this, because I would have to dismiss most of it outright. And that's just a hassle. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 year ago* (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] wpb@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (1 child) Look, it's like the scientific method, right? You start with a theory, and then you gather a bunch of data, and the stuff that agrees with your theory you keep, and the stuff that doesn't you either dismiss outright, or you rationalize. I feel like I really can't make my position any more obvious than that. I appreciate your patience and your continued efforts to educate folks on this website, but I think you're barking up the wrong tree here. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 year ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] wpb@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago It's sarcasm yes. I figured dropping a phrase like dicatorship of the proletariat would give up the game (honestly I thought my very first comment in the thread was already laying it on thick), but Poe's law in action I guess. I do really appreciate you, keep up the good work. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies) [–] cepelinas@sopuli.xyz -3 points 1 year ago (6 children) How can I say this in .ml-ese? Hmmm, try asking the folks who actually lived in those places. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago (6 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] cepelinas@sopuli.xyz -2 points 1 year ago (5 children) Where you from? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago (5 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] cepelinas@sopuli.xyz -4 points 1 year ago (4 children) I wasn't born in the Soviet union, but I have asked lots of more older people, all were negative, the best thing they said was that they built schools... and those were mostly the ones they destroyed, and have you noticed a pattern in .ml users which support what the Soviet union most if not all of them didn't experience it or live in a place where it was you just glaze china, Russia and etc. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Shatur@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children) I've asked many people who were born in the USSR, and I think about half of them feel that the shit we’ve had since then is way worse. It wasn't perfect by any means, but I think we should have improved it with reforms instead of splitting into poor countries and giving all the power to oligarchs. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] cepelinas@sopuli.xyz 1 point 1 year ago (2 children) What country maybe it is a local thing? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Shatur@lemmy.ml 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) Ukraine. Of course, it could just be a local thing since it depends on your social circle. But the things my parents told me make total sense to me. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] cepelinas@sopuli.xyz 2 points 1 year ago Lithuania. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies) [–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca -2 points 1 year ago (2 children) No, Occupied China doesn’t control DPRK or ROC If we play that game we can’t trust American numbers either so the whole conversation becomes pointless permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] AntiOutsideAktion@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 year ago ILikeNazis permalink fedilink source parent [–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago If we play that game we can’t trust American numbers either 😏 permalink fedilink source parent
[–] wpb@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago* (14 children) I think this is a good rule of thumb in general. When statistics agree with my preconceived notions, I consider them trustworthy, and if not, I assume that reality lines up with what I expect. For example, the referendum in held in the Baltics about leaving the USSR ended in favor of leaving, which I think is a good example of a trustworthy statistic. But the subsequent referendum in the remaining members ended in favor of staying in the USSR, and I think that's a little suspicious, don't you? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 14 child comments replies: [–] davel@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 year ago (2 children) When statistics agree with my preconceived notions, I consider them trustworthy, and if not, I assume that reality lines up with what I expect. I… thought you were being sarcastic. This is an obvious and severe flaw to have in one’s rational thinking. prejudice (noun) 1. The act or state of holding unreasonable preconceived judgments or convictions. 2. An adverse judgment or opinion formed unfairly or without knowledge of the facts. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] wpb@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (1 child) With much love and respect I ask you to please read the remainder of my comments in this thread. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] davel@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago oic. Carry on, comrade. permalink fedilink source parent [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 year ago (11 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [–] wpb@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago (3 children) It's suspicious because it disagrees with my preconceived notions about communism. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 year ago (3 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] wpb@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago* (2 children) See now there you've made a crucial error. You're recommending a book which, while it has some criticism of the specifics of how the USSR implemented socialism, on the whole it's quite positive about the idea of establishing a dictatorship of the proletariat in general. Obviously that disagrees with my preconceived notion that humans are greedy, and that therefore capitalism is good, so I would never read a source that contradicts this, because I would have to dismiss most of it outright. And that's just a hassle. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 year ago* (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] wpb@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (1 child) Look, it's like the scientific method, right? You start with a theory, and then you gather a bunch of data, and the stuff that agrees with your theory you keep, and the stuff that doesn't you either dismiss outright, or you rationalize. I feel like I really can't make my position any more obvious than that. I appreciate your patience and your continued efforts to educate folks on this website, but I think you're barking up the wrong tree here. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 year ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] wpb@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago It's sarcasm yes. I figured dropping a phrase like dicatorship of the proletariat would give up the game (honestly I thought my very first comment in the thread was already laying it on thick), but Poe's law in action I guess. I do really appreciate you, keep up the good work. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies) [–] cepelinas@sopuli.xyz -3 points 1 year ago (6 children) How can I say this in .ml-ese? Hmmm, try asking the folks who actually lived in those places. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago (6 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] cepelinas@sopuli.xyz -2 points 1 year ago (5 children) Where you from? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago (5 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] cepelinas@sopuli.xyz -4 points 1 year ago (4 children) I wasn't born in the Soviet union, but I have asked lots of more older people, all were negative, the best thing they said was that they built schools... and those were mostly the ones they destroyed, and have you noticed a pattern in .ml users which support what the Soviet union most if not all of them didn't experience it or live in a place where it was you just glaze china, Russia and etc. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Shatur@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children) I've asked many people who were born in the USSR, and I think about half of them feel that the shit we’ve had since then is way worse. It wasn't perfect by any means, but I think we should have improved it with reforms instead of splitting into poor countries and giving all the power to oligarchs. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] cepelinas@sopuli.xyz 1 point 1 year ago (2 children) What country maybe it is a local thing? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Shatur@lemmy.ml 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) Ukraine. Of course, it could just be a local thing since it depends on your social circle. But the things my parents told me make total sense to me. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] cepelinas@sopuli.xyz 2 points 1 year ago Lithuania. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies)
[–] davel@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 year ago (2 children) When statistics agree with my preconceived notions, I consider them trustworthy, and if not, I assume that reality lines up with what I expect. I… thought you were being sarcastic. This is an obvious and severe flaw to have in one’s rational thinking. prejudice (noun) 1. The act or state of holding unreasonable preconceived judgments or convictions. 2. An adverse judgment or opinion formed unfairly or without knowledge of the facts. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] wpb@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (1 child) With much love and respect I ask you to please read the remainder of my comments in this thread. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] davel@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago oic. Carry on, comrade. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] wpb@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (1 child) With much love and respect I ask you to please read the remainder of my comments in this thread. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] davel@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago oic. Carry on, comrade. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 year ago (11 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [–] wpb@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago (3 children) It's suspicious because it disagrees with my preconceived notions about communism. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 year ago (3 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] wpb@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago* (2 children) See now there you've made a crucial error. You're recommending a book which, while it has some criticism of the specifics of how the USSR implemented socialism, on the whole it's quite positive about the idea of establishing a dictatorship of the proletariat in general. Obviously that disagrees with my preconceived notion that humans are greedy, and that therefore capitalism is good, so I would never read a source that contradicts this, because I would have to dismiss most of it outright. And that's just a hassle. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 year ago* (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] wpb@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (1 child) Look, it's like the scientific method, right? You start with a theory, and then you gather a bunch of data, and the stuff that agrees with your theory you keep, and the stuff that doesn't you either dismiss outright, or you rationalize. I feel like I really can't make my position any more obvious than that. I appreciate your patience and your continued efforts to educate folks on this website, but I think you're barking up the wrong tree here. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 year ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] wpb@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago It's sarcasm yes. I figured dropping a phrase like dicatorship of the proletariat would give up the game (honestly I thought my very first comment in the thread was already laying it on thick), but Poe's law in action I guess. I do really appreciate you, keep up the good work. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies) [–] cepelinas@sopuli.xyz -3 points 1 year ago (6 children) How can I say this in .ml-ese? Hmmm, try asking the folks who actually lived in those places. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago (6 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] cepelinas@sopuli.xyz -2 points 1 year ago (5 children) Where you from? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago (5 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] cepelinas@sopuli.xyz -4 points 1 year ago (4 children) I wasn't born in the Soviet union, but I have asked lots of more older people, all were negative, the best thing they said was that they built schools... and those were mostly the ones they destroyed, and have you noticed a pattern in .ml users which support what the Soviet union most if not all of them didn't experience it or live in a place where it was you just glaze china, Russia and etc. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Shatur@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children) I've asked many people who were born in the USSR, and I think about half of them feel that the shit we’ve had since then is way worse. It wasn't perfect by any means, but I think we should have improved it with reforms instead of splitting into poor countries and giving all the power to oligarchs. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] cepelinas@sopuli.xyz 1 point 1 year ago (2 children) What country maybe it is a local thing? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Shatur@lemmy.ml 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) Ukraine. Of course, it could just be a local thing since it depends on your social circle. But the things my parents told me make total sense to me. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] cepelinas@sopuli.xyz 2 points 1 year ago Lithuania. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies)
[–] wpb@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago (3 children) It's suspicious because it disagrees with my preconceived notions about communism. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 year ago (3 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] wpb@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago* (2 children) See now there you've made a crucial error. You're recommending a book which, while it has some criticism of the specifics of how the USSR implemented socialism, on the whole it's quite positive about the idea of establishing a dictatorship of the proletariat in general. Obviously that disagrees with my preconceived notion that humans are greedy, and that therefore capitalism is good, so I would never read a source that contradicts this, because I would have to dismiss most of it outright. And that's just a hassle. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 year ago* (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] wpb@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (1 child) Look, it's like the scientific method, right? You start with a theory, and then you gather a bunch of data, and the stuff that agrees with your theory you keep, and the stuff that doesn't you either dismiss outright, or you rationalize. I feel like I really can't make my position any more obvious than that. I appreciate your patience and your continued efforts to educate folks on this website, but I think you're barking up the wrong tree here. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 year ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] wpb@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago It's sarcasm yes. I figured dropping a phrase like dicatorship of the proletariat would give up the game (honestly I thought my very first comment in the thread was already laying it on thick), but Poe's law in action I guess. I do really appreciate you, keep up the good work. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies)
[+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 year ago (3 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] wpb@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago* (2 children) See now there you've made a crucial error. You're recommending a book which, while it has some criticism of the specifics of how the USSR implemented socialism, on the whole it's quite positive about the idea of establishing a dictatorship of the proletariat in general. Obviously that disagrees with my preconceived notion that humans are greedy, and that therefore capitalism is good, so I would never read a source that contradicts this, because I would have to dismiss most of it outright. And that's just a hassle. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 year ago* (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] wpb@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (1 child) Look, it's like the scientific method, right? You start with a theory, and then you gather a bunch of data, and the stuff that agrees with your theory you keep, and the stuff that doesn't you either dismiss outright, or you rationalize. I feel like I really can't make my position any more obvious than that. I appreciate your patience and your continued efforts to educate folks on this website, but I think you're barking up the wrong tree here. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 year ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] wpb@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago It's sarcasm yes. I figured dropping a phrase like dicatorship of the proletariat would give up the game (honestly I thought my very first comment in the thread was already laying it on thick), but Poe's law in action I guess. I do really appreciate you, keep up the good work. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies)
[–] wpb@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago* (2 children) See now there you've made a crucial error. You're recommending a book which, while it has some criticism of the specifics of how the USSR implemented socialism, on the whole it's quite positive about the idea of establishing a dictatorship of the proletariat in general. Obviously that disagrees with my preconceived notion that humans are greedy, and that therefore capitalism is good, so I would never read a source that contradicts this, because I would have to dismiss most of it outright. And that's just a hassle. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 year ago* (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] wpb@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (1 child) Look, it's like the scientific method, right? You start with a theory, and then you gather a bunch of data, and the stuff that agrees with your theory you keep, and the stuff that doesn't you either dismiss outright, or you rationalize. I feel like I really can't make my position any more obvious than that. I appreciate your patience and your continued efforts to educate folks on this website, but I think you're barking up the wrong tree here. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 year ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] wpb@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago It's sarcasm yes. I figured dropping a phrase like dicatorship of the proletariat would give up the game (honestly I thought my very first comment in the thread was already laying it on thick), but Poe's law in action I guess. I do really appreciate you, keep up the good work. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies)
[+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 year ago* (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] wpb@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (1 child) Look, it's like the scientific method, right? You start with a theory, and then you gather a bunch of data, and the stuff that agrees with your theory you keep, and the stuff that doesn't you either dismiss outright, or you rationalize. I feel like I really can't make my position any more obvious than that. I appreciate your patience and your continued efforts to educate folks on this website, but I think you're barking up the wrong tree here. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 year ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] wpb@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago It's sarcasm yes. I figured dropping a phrase like dicatorship of the proletariat would give up the game (honestly I thought my very first comment in the thread was already laying it on thick), but Poe's law in action I guess. I do really appreciate you, keep up the good work. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies)
[–] wpb@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (1 child) Look, it's like the scientific method, right? You start with a theory, and then you gather a bunch of data, and the stuff that agrees with your theory you keep, and the stuff that doesn't you either dismiss outright, or you rationalize. I feel like I really can't make my position any more obvious than that. I appreciate your patience and your continued efforts to educate folks on this website, but I think you're barking up the wrong tree here. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 year ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] wpb@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago It's sarcasm yes. I figured dropping a phrase like dicatorship of the proletariat would give up the game (honestly I thought my very first comment in the thread was already laying it on thick), but Poe's law in action I guess. I do really appreciate you, keep up the good work. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies)
[+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 year ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] wpb@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago It's sarcasm yes. I figured dropping a phrase like dicatorship of the proletariat would give up the game (honestly I thought my very first comment in the thread was already laying it on thick), but Poe's law in action I guess. I do really appreciate you, keep up the good work. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] wpb@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago It's sarcasm yes. I figured dropping a phrase like dicatorship of the proletariat would give up the game (honestly I thought my very first comment in the thread was already laying it on thick), but Poe's law in action I guess. I do really appreciate you, keep up the good work. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] cepelinas@sopuli.xyz -3 points 1 year ago (6 children) How can I say this in .ml-ese? Hmmm, try asking the folks who actually lived in those places. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago (6 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] cepelinas@sopuli.xyz -2 points 1 year ago (5 children) Where you from? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago (5 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] cepelinas@sopuli.xyz -4 points 1 year ago (4 children) I wasn't born in the Soviet union, but I have asked lots of more older people, all were negative, the best thing they said was that they built schools... and those were mostly the ones they destroyed, and have you noticed a pattern in .ml users which support what the Soviet union most if not all of them didn't experience it or live in a place where it was you just glaze china, Russia and etc. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Shatur@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children) I've asked many people who were born in the USSR, and I think about half of them feel that the shit we’ve had since then is way worse. It wasn't perfect by any means, but I think we should have improved it with reforms instead of splitting into poor countries and giving all the power to oligarchs. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] cepelinas@sopuli.xyz 1 point 1 year ago (2 children) What country maybe it is a local thing? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Shatur@lemmy.ml 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) Ukraine. Of course, it could just be a local thing since it depends on your social circle. But the things my parents told me make total sense to me. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] cepelinas@sopuli.xyz 2 points 1 year ago Lithuania. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies)
[+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago (6 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] cepelinas@sopuli.xyz -2 points 1 year ago (5 children) Where you from? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago (5 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] cepelinas@sopuli.xyz -4 points 1 year ago (4 children) I wasn't born in the Soviet union, but I have asked lots of more older people, all were negative, the best thing they said was that they built schools... and those were mostly the ones they destroyed, and have you noticed a pattern in .ml users which support what the Soviet union most if not all of them didn't experience it or live in a place where it was you just glaze china, Russia and etc. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Shatur@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children) I've asked many people who were born in the USSR, and I think about half of them feel that the shit we’ve had since then is way worse. It wasn't perfect by any means, but I think we should have improved it with reforms instead of splitting into poor countries and giving all the power to oligarchs. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] cepelinas@sopuli.xyz 1 point 1 year ago (2 children) What country maybe it is a local thing? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Shatur@lemmy.ml 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) Ukraine. Of course, it could just be a local thing since it depends on your social circle. But the things my parents told me make total sense to me. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] cepelinas@sopuli.xyz 2 points 1 year ago Lithuania. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies)
[–] cepelinas@sopuli.xyz -2 points 1 year ago (5 children) Where you from? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago (5 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] cepelinas@sopuli.xyz -4 points 1 year ago (4 children) I wasn't born in the Soviet union, but I have asked lots of more older people, all were negative, the best thing they said was that they built schools... and those were mostly the ones they destroyed, and have you noticed a pattern in .ml users which support what the Soviet union most if not all of them didn't experience it or live in a place where it was you just glaze china, Russia and etc. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Shatur@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children) I've asked many people who were born in the USSR, and I think about half of them feel that the shit we’ve had since then is way worse. It wasn't perfect by any means, but I think we should have improved it with reforms instead of splitting into poor countries and giving all the power to oligarchs. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] cepelinas@sopuli.xyz 1 point 1 year ago (2 children) What country maybe it is a local thing? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Shatur@lemmy.ml 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) Ukraine. Of course, it could just be a local thing since it depends on your social circle. But the things my parents told me make total sense to me. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] cepelinas@sopuli.xyz 2 points 1 year ago Lithuania. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies)
[+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago (5 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] cepelinas@sopuli.xyz -4 points 1 year ago (4 children) I wasn't born in the Soviet union, but I have asked lots of more older people, all were negative, the best thing they said was that they built schools... and those were mostly the ones they destroyed, and have you noticed a pattern in .ml users which support what the Soviet union most if not all of them didn't experience it or live in a place where it was you just glaze china, Russia and etc. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Shatur@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children) I've asked many people who were born in the USSR, and I think about half of them feel that the shit we’ve had since then is way worse. It wasn't perfect by any means, but I think we should have improved it with reforms instead of splitting into poor countries and giving all the power to oligarchs. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] cepelinas@sopuli.xyz 1 point 1 year ago (2 children) What country maybe it is a local thing? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Shatur@lemmy.ml 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) Ukraine. Of course, it could just be a local thing since it depends on your social circle. But the things my parents told me make total sense to me. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] cepelinas@sopuli.xyz 2 points 1 year ago Lithuania. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] cepelinas@sopuli.xyz -4 points 1 year ago (4 children) I wasn't born in the Soviet union, but I have asked lots of more older people, all were negative, the best thing they said was that they built schools... and those were mostly the ones they destroyed, and have you noticed a pattern in .ml users which support what the Soviet union most if not all of them didn't experience it or live in a place where it was you just glaze china, Russia and etc. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Shatur@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children) I've asked many people who were born in the USSR, and I think about half of them feel that the shit we’ve had since then is way worse. It wasn't perfect by any means, but I think we should have improved it with reforms instead of splitting into poor countries and giving all the power to oligarchs. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] cepelinas@sopuli.xyz 1 point 1 year ago (2 children) What country maybe it is a local thing? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Shatur@lemmy.ml 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) Ukraine. Of course, it could just be a local thing since it depends on your social circle. But the things my parents told me make total sense to me. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] cepelinas@sopuli.xyz 2 points 1 year ago Lithuania. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Shatur@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children) I've asked many people who were born in the USSR, and I think about half of them feel that the shit we’ve had since then is way worse. It wasn't perfect by any means, but I think we should have improved it with reforms instead of splitting into poor countries and giving all the power to oligarchs. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] cepelinas@sopuli.xyz 1 point 1 year ago (2 children) What country maybe it is a local thing? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Shatur@lemmy.ml 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) Ukraine. Of course, it could just be a local thing since it depends on your social circle. But the things my parents told me make total sense to me. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] cepelinas@sopuli.xyz 2 points 1 year ago Lithuania. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] cepelinas@sopuli.xyz 1 point 1 year ago (2 children) What country maybe it is a local thing? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Shatur@lemmy.ml 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) Ukraine. Of course, it could just be a local thing since it depends on your social circle. But the things my parents told me make total sense to me. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] cepelinas@sopuli.xyz 2 points 1 year ago Lithuania. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Shatur@lemmy.ml 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) Ukraine. Of course, it could just be a local thing since it depends on your social circle. But the things my parents told me make total sense to me. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] cepelinas@sopuli.xyz 2 points 1 year ago Lithuania. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca -2 points 1 year ago (2 children) No, Occupied China doesn’t control DPRK or ROC If we play that game we can’t trust American numbers either so the whole conversation becomes pointless permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] AntiOutsideAktion@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 year ago ILikeNazis permalink fedilink source parent [–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago If we play that game we can’t trust American numbers either 😏 permalink fedilink source parent
[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago If we play that game we can’t trust American numbers either 😏 permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Olgratin_Magmatoe@slrpnk.net 9 points 1 year ago (5 children) On its own that's misleading, you should be using the per capita stats. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Bloomcole@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago I'm sure he hasn't got a clue how many Chinese there are, or where China is. All that matters is China bad, commie bad permalink fedilink source parent [+] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca -12 points 1 year ago (3 children) Per capita is misleading, it over represents low populations and under represents high populations When you use it, it makes Canadian cities appear more violent than American cities as an example permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Hawk@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 1 year ago And yet, the USA still the 5th highest in incarceration numbers and the highest in absolute numbers. I'd say that tells you enough permalink fedilink source parent [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 13 points 1 year ago* (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca -2 points 1 year ago (1 child) Yes, I can read the graphic and my own post permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] Jax@sh.itjust.works -7 points 1 year ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Bloomcole@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago Blue MAGA denying facts, literally the actual numbers and think that we just "feel' it's true" are pretty much the same as MAGA. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies)
[–] Bloomcole@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago I'm sure he hasn't got a clue how many Chinese there are, or where China is. All that matters is China bad, commie bad permalink fedilink source parent
[+] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca -12 points 1 year ago (3 children) Per capita is misleading, it over represents low populations and under represents high populations When you use it, it makes Canadian cities appear more violent than American cities as an example permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Hawk@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 1 year ago And yet, the USA still the 5th highest in incarceration numbers and the highest in absolute numbers. I'd say that tells you enough permalink fedilink source parent [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 13 points 1 year ago* (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca -2 points 1 year ago (1 child) Yes, I can read the graphic and my own post permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] Jax@sh.itjust.works -7 points 1 year ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Bloomcole@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago Blue MAGA denying facts, literally the actual numbers and think that we just "feel' it's true" are pretty much the same as MAGA. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies)
[–] Hawk@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 1 year ago And yet, the USA still the 5th highest in incarceration numbers and the highest in absolute numbers. I'd say that tells you enough permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 13 points 1 year ago* (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca -2 points 1 year ago (1 child) Yes, I can read the graphic and my own post permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] Jax@sh.itjust.works -7 points 1 year ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Bloomcole@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago Blue MAGA denying facts, literally the actual numbers and think that we just "feel' it's true" are pretty much the same as MAGA. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies)
[–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca -2 points 1 year ago (1 child) Yes, I can read the graphic and my own post permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] Jax@sh.itjust.works -7 points 1 year ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Bloomcole@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago Blue MAGA denying facts, literally the actual numbers and think that we just "feel' it's true" are pretty much the same as MAGA. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies)
[+] Jax@sh.itjust.works -7 points 1 year ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Bloomcole@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago Blue MAGA denying facts, literally the actual numbers and think that we just "feel' it's true" are pretty much the same as MAGA. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Bloomcole@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago Blue MAGA denying facts, literally the actual numbers and think that we just "feel' it's true" are pretty much the same as MAGA. permalink fedilink source parent