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Americans that are in the armed forces, What is the current feeling inside it? (lemmy.world)
submitted 1 year ago by to c/asklemmy@lemmy.ml
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Do the army support the president even if his orders are against your constitution? How is the overll clima and feeling today?

Just asking because I'm curious, I have no horse in this race :)

Edited to Armed forces since thats exactly what I ment

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[โ€“] 54 points 1 year ago* (18 children)

If you honestly think they have an issue with following illegal orders, I think you should take a look at The Kent State massacre

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  • [โ€“] 4 points 1 year ago (17 children)

    The military has done some horrible stuff but going back 50+ years to prove how they feel today seems a stretch.

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  • [โ€“] 8 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    Even if it was over 50 years ago it was a significant point in history that a lot of people seem to forget, and was a major turning point for the public during Vietnam. It's also relevant to today with what's happening.

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  • [โ€“] -2 points 1 year ago* (5 children)

    Yes, but no one serving then is serving now. Leadership has cycled many times. I mean, how far do you take this? Can you use events from 200 years ago to claim how a group thinks?

    Also culture has changed, the type of people in the service has changed, so much has changed in 50 years. This is ignoring all nuance.

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  • [โ€“] 3 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Ah, so you think learning from history is pointless because it's not happening here and now, gotcha.

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  • [โ€“] -2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

    ..... How dishonest.

    Learning from history is one thing. Holding people accountable for the actions of others, from before they were even born, is stupid.

    But you knew that. You're just trolling or hate the military too much to think clearly.

    But let's follow your logic. Let's take actions of people in the past and apply them now. So, given the holocaust I'm assuming you think all present day Germans hate Jews and want them to die? I mean we need to learn from the past right? Just because it's not happening here and now you can't ignore it. Right?

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  • [โ€“] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    How myopic, asinine, and worst of all, willingly ignorant.

    Since you have no regard for learning, enjoy doing everything from scratch.

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  • [โ€“] -2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    So just insults. No counter point, no logic. Just yelling that I'm wrong and you're right? How convincing.

    If you had any logic to stand on you'd present it. But you don't. And you'll find every excuse not to provide any. You know you're wrong, you're just too proud to admit it my guy.

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  • [โ€“] 2 points 1 year ago

    It's more like you kinda came at me first, I think you're a lost cause and aren't going to argue fairly. So I'm not really willing to bother with you. If you think it's pointless to learn from history then there's not much point in trying to convince you otherwise, especially if you're that hot headed.

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  • [โ€“] 7 points 1 year ago (9 children)

    Get literally any soldier who was deployed to iraq or afghanistan drunk and they'll tell you about unpunished warcrimes they witnessed or participated in.

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  • [โ€“] 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (6 children)

    I served in the military. You don't seem to know much about it.

    Literally any soldier? Really? The cooks? The guy at the mechanic shop? Literally any soldier?

    Not everyone is going out on patrol. Not every soldier is committing a war crime. I've known dozens of people who went over seas and didn't even see a hint of action. WTF is with these wild assumptions being passed as facts.

    Does it happen, for fucking sure. But not at the level you seem to be implying. Not at all. People let their emotions rule over reason way too much.

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  • [โ€“] 1 point 1 year ago (5 children)

    I feel like you could use critical thinking and assume I'm talking about people who saw action.

    Support staff aren't innocent either to me. They supported the mission and it couldn't have been done without them.

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  • [โ€“] 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

    You said literally any soldier, so maybe say what you mean instead of being hyperbolic and then blaming people for thinking you mean what you actually said. You choose those words. You didn't even say, "ask any soldier" you really wanted to classify it with "ask literally any soldier". So if that's not what you meant, why did you make that absurd claim? I don't rely on people making assumptions when I present a point. That is wild...

    And even then, I know people do have been in action and not witnessed any war crimes. I've known lots of these people, across a large sample. You're in your room making baseless assumptions.

    Yah, every guy making sure you get fed really condones war crimes. You lack any sense of nuance or actual understanding.

    You're just throwing out grand, sweeping claims...

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  • [โ€“] 1 point 1 year ago (3 children)

    Making sure I get fed? What exactly has the military done to secure food security? You're complaining about hyperbole and make dumbass claims like that lol

    They're not baseless assumptions either. I'm sure your chud friends have seen plenty of horrific shit and they just don't consider it bad, nor war crimes. I know people that have sniped unarmed civilians in Afghanistan and they considered it a way to alleviate boredom. There's a couple people in my state that even got convicted of war crimes at Abu gharib but ended up getting set free.

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  • [โ€“] -1 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    Making sure I get fed? What exactly has the military done to secure food security? You're complaining about hyperbole and make dumbass claims like that lol

    Shoot, my bad. I forgot how easily confused you get. They keep the soldiers fed. I thought that was obvious from context, but I guess back to spoon feeding.

    They're not baseless assumptions either. I'm sure your chud friends have seen plenty of horrific shit and they just don't consider it bad, nor war crimes.

    They're not baseless? You're assuming you know my friends better than I do. Friends who were in the military with me, a life you clearly don't understand or have ever experienced. But you claim with confidence to know what they consider bad? This is baseless by definition. You're whole stance is based on assumptions.

    But prove me wrong, my good friend Sgt Holt, what did he see that was a war crime? I'm curious since you seem to know so well.

    I know people that have sniped unarmed civilians in Afghanistan and they considered it a way to alleviate boredom.

    Lol first off I call bullshit. A sniper is not setting up a nest then giving away and drawing attention to that nest for no reason. That's how you eat an RPG. Your basic lack of military knowledge is making your lies transparent AF lol.

    There's a couple people in my state that even got convicted of war crimes

    Oh shit! A couple people got convicted of war crimes so every single soldier ever has committed war crimes. You are delusional and not living in reality guy. Do you apply this logic to every group? Because I'm sure you're part of a group that has had members of that group so horrible things.

    What a smart person would do is realize that each person is an individual and not judge an entire, massive group of people based on the actions of some people in that group.

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  • [โ€“] 1 point 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)

    Does it not bother you that the people who ran the torture prison got set free? This is what I meant by you and your friends considering certain things not war crimes.

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  • [โ€“] 0 points 1 year ago*

    Wow, I I've heard of moving the goal posts but that's moving to a whole new field lol.

    Let's get a refresher on what you said

    Get literally any soldier who was deployed to iraq or afghanistan drunk and they'll tell you about unpunished warcrimes they witnessed or participated in.

    Yeah that's not at all the same.

    Not every single soldier witnessed or participated in that.

    You are desperately reaching instead of just saying you were wrong. Come on man, this is weak.

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  • [โ€“] -1 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Fuck off. I have 3 deployments under my belt and 0 war crimes. Some of us are just born poor as fuck and wanted to go to college. The military honestly isn't some monolithic entity.. 90% of the people on this thread literally have never talked to a service member and it shows lol

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