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Framework supporting far-right racists? (community.frame.work)
submitted 1 year ago by to c/technology@lemmy.world
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Title of the (concerning) thread on their community forum, not voluntary clickbait. Came across the thread thanks to a toot by @Khrys@mamot.fr (French speaking)

The gist of the issue raised by OP is that framework sponsors and promotes projects lead by known toxic and racists people (DHH among them).

I agree with the point made by the OP :

The “big tent” argument works fine if everyone plays by some basic civil rules of understanding. Stuff like code of conducts, moderation, anti-racism, surely those things we agree on? A big tent won’t work if you let in people that want to exterminate the others.

I'm disappointed in framework's answer so far

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[–] 3 points 1 year ago* (8 children)

Can you point me to that (must be lemmy dev or moderator appointed by a lemmy dev to be comparable)? All I've seen are posts on power tripping where people get banned because they say things like "Russia started it" or "Tiananmen lol, amirite". I've not seen anything to the extent you're describing and would be interested in seeing it.

And uh, the problem isn't the use of software. Nothing in this thread is about the use of software.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago* (7 children)

    the destruction of the Ukrainians as a people and culture

    This is a huge part of Putin's current war; a war tankies widely support. You need sources for these things?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allegations_of_genocide_of_Ukrainians_in_the_Russo-Ukrainian_War

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago* (6 children)

    If you're going to hold lemmy to the same standard we are holding lemmy to in this thread, absolutely yes. Did you not see the detailed links provided by oop?

    And uh ..don't the tankies not believe in those allegations? Isn't that their whole thing, that western media is lying about it? Ie delusional like I said.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago* (5 children)

    don’t the tankies not believe in those allegations? Isn’t that their whole thing, that western media is lying about it? Ie delusional like I said.

    Of course they don't believe the piles of evidence. The point is they support the genocide either way. If we are changing the standard to purely what delusional people believe, not what they actually support, then there is a ton of people on the right we should stop bitching about, as they don't believe their policies are harmful either...

    So, back to the original question, are you going to use a software written, or just partly written, by tankies? Or is it possible that one can use a software written by people who have differing political opinions from you?

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago* (4 children)

    I already answered that: your question is trying to move the goalposts away from what framework is doing.

    I think the rest of your response feels wrong in a fundamental way but I haven't thought through why yet.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago* (3 children)

    I think the rest of your response feels wrong in a fundamental way but I haven’t thought through why yet.

    Either that or a pair of opinions you hold conflict with each-other.

    Internal consistency is highly valued. As long as all opinions are treated with the same standards, then you have a nice steady base for your views and how you interact with the world.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Yeah I figured it out from another message: intent matters. Framework appears to intend to support bad people. Tankies support bad causes but appear to think they are good. That moves the question to "what is good". Obviously white nationalists have a definition of good that I don't agree with but they think they are doing good or at least claim as such. However I think I generally agree with tankies, broadly, on their definition of good. I just think they are self deluded into believing that the world simply isn't as simple and awful as it appears to be. That having been said, my reference point for tankies is a few memes, so it may be that there's depths of evil there that I'm not aware of. However what I've seen is that they seem to be pro workers rights, anti capitalist power, etc...all of which I broadly agree with.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    Framework appears to intend to support bad people.

    Framework intends to support open source projects. That has been their goal. Ascribing a different intent to it is just factually incorrect at best.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago*

    If you tell me "I will use some of any money you give me to fund terrorism" and I choose to give you money anyway, I am deliberately funding terrorism.

    Framework is deliberately funding white nationalists. They may not have been before yesterday, but now they've been told and now they've been told that's what they're doing.

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