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Framework supporting far-right racists? (community.frame.work)
submitted 1 year ago by to c/technology@lemmy.world
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Title of the (concerning) thread on their community forum, not voluntary clickbait. Came across the thread thanks to a toot by @Khrys@mamot.fr (French speaking)

The gist of the issue raised by OP is that framework sponsors and promotes projects lead by known toxic and racists people (DHH among them).

I agree with the point made by the OP :

The “big tent” argument works fine if everyone plays by some basic civil rules of understanding. Stuff like code of conducts, moderation, anti-racism, surely those things we agree on? A big tent won’t work if you let in people that want to exterminate the others.

I'm disappointed in framework's answer so far

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[–] 2 points 1 year ago (8 children)

Doesn't seem clear cut at all after reading the whole thread. You support one thing who's creator has questionable views but not the other. The main difference seems to be that you like one and not the other.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago*

    What doesn't seem clear-cut? My only point here was that using Lemmy does not directly fund the creator of it.

    You support one thing who’s creator has questionable views but not the other. The main difference seems to be that you like one and not the other.

    You're making assumptions about me. I use Piefed, not Lemmy. I also do not believe that this situation is enough for me to not support Framework. All I'm saying here is that supporting Framework is for the most part direct financial support, while one can easily support the Lemmy as a whole, without providing financial support to the creator with questionable views.

    I don't care to debate about whether this makes supporting Lemmy better or worse than supporting Framework. I only on what I feel is an oversight in the comparison made by the comment I originally replied to.

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  • [–] -5 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    The main difference is that fascism and racism are fundamentally destructive ideologies/traits, while tankie is just a derogatory term for folks on the far left used by people that think extreme left and extreme right are the same kind if evil. It’s a display of arrogant ignorance, congratulations.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Many would argue tankies live by an ideology with a comparable body count to fascism.

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago* (4 children)

    That's all very vague. Be more explicit. Many argue many things.

    What is the ideology you're hinting at? Communism? What is the body count of communism? Where do you think you've got that that narrative from?

    To round out the picture, and because body count seems so decisive, we should include capitalism, right — as fascism, many argue, is a neccessary consequence of imperial capitalism protecting itself in crisis and it's our current economic ideology and therefore an ongoing, systematic phenomenon?

    What's the body count of capitalism?

    Many would argue we currently live by an ideology with a body count of double digit millions of excess deaths annually, through poverty & hunger, healthcare inequality, workplace deaths & diseases, environmental & climate deaths, structural violence, and of course war & imperial violence.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Why would I account for capitalism when my whole point is i don't care what people's opinions are?

    Im talking about Tankie ideology so communism yes. But again, my point is I don't care so to try to pit communism vs capitalism to gotcha me doesn't even make sense.

    Communism has a massive body count yes.

    This form of verbal maneuvering that you display is falling from grace.

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    Oh, suddenly you don't care? The only thing, that doesn't make sense then, is you commenting at all. Curiously you do, tho — with vibes-based political commentary. If you're really so apathetic, may I suggest to you to stfu.

    What I got from your form of verbal maneuvering (lol), tho, is that you are not only apathetic, but also ignorant.

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