▲ 639 ▼ ICEBlock Owner After Apple Removes App: ‘We Are Determined to Fight This’ (www.404media.co) submitted 1 year ago by ardi60@reddthat.com to c/technology@lemmy.world locked 94 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[+] blave@lemmy.world -126 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (24 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 24 child comments replies: [–] GrantsGhost@piefed.zip 78 points 1 year ago (12 children) It should permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [+] blave@lemmy.world -58 points 1 year ago (12 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] GrantsGhost@piefed.zip 50 points 1 year ago (4 children) Thats Apples and Oranges. Owning a phone is not like owning a a gun. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] blave@lemmy.world -41 points 1 year ago* (4 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] brygphilomena@lemmy.dbzer0.com 44 points 1 year ago (1 child) Except we aren't talking about the law. We are talking about corporations that sell you something and then retain control over it. You have no say in the process, you have no representation. These are not rules that we as a society have determined to be in the best interests of all of us. These are unilateral decisions placed upon us. You have no recourse if you disagree other than don't use the thing. Guns don't prevent you from doing anything. You still have the capability to do whatever you want with the thing. However, if you use it in a manner than harms someone else, in a way that we as a society have proposed, voted, and created laws prohibiting, then you deal with the consequences. But that is very different from having something in the gun that prevents it from taking ammo from another manufacturer. Or making it unable to shoot unless you pay a monthly fee. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] blave@lemmy.world -22 points 1 year ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] brygphilomena@lemmy.dbzer0.com 19 points 1 year ago No. We weren't. This discussion was about phones and the software we are being allowed to install on them. The law does nothing to restrict us in that capacity. The restrictions are imposed by the manufacturer of the phone. You made the fallacious false equivalency of comparing that with guns and laws. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) [–] AbidanYre@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child) Right, you can't break the law. Gun manufacturers are very explicitly not responsible if you break the law with one of the items they manufactured. This is more like the gun manufacturer coming back two years after you bought it and preventing you from using bullets from a vendor they don't approve of. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au -7 points 1 year ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] AbidanYre@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago Taking away functionality is a selling point? What a load of bullshit. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies) [–] artyom@piefed.social 14 points 1 year ago (4 children) They can do whatever they want with them, that's why we have shootings. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] blave@lemmy.world -18 points 1 year ago (4 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] artyom@piefed.social 11 points 1 year ago* (3 children) If they couldn't, then they wouldn't, but they obviously can, because they do. This is not complicated. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [+] blave@lemmy.world -10 points 1 year ago* (3 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] ChilledPeppers@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 1 year ago (1 child) I feel like I am feeding a troll, but let me break this down: If you have a gun, you can point it at anything and pull the trigger, you don't need the permission of the manufacturer to do so. Not with a phone, you CAN'T load any software you want into your phone. That's the difference, you can do whatever you want with a gun, and if you mess up, you go to jail. You can't do whatever you want with your phone, only what the corp.s (apple) allow you to. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] blave@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] gladflag@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 year ago “Dictionary definition” Google Go lick a boot mate. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) [–] artyom@piefed.social 5 points 1 year ago ...you just said it did. That was the initiation of this entire conversation. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies) [–] Cold_Brew_Enema@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago What a fucking stupid moronic take. Go back to reddit permalink fedilink source parent [–] Attacker94@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago If they don't break the law then yes permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) [+] SARGE@startrek.website 40 points 1 year ago (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] blave@lemmy.world -32 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] AbidanYre@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago* (1 child) The state of having complete legal control of something; Ownership is the state or fact of legal possession and control over property, the act of having and controlling property Control is a key part of ownership. If Google controls what you can install on a device, it isn't yours. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au -7 points 1 year ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] AbidanYre@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago* You're licking those corporate boots awfully hard for someone calling themselves Freedom advocate. You can certainly choose not to update it, but you just miss out on anything that requires those updates - like access to the Google play services. And that will do wonders for the security that Google claims is the reason behind this change, won't it. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies) [–] Capricorn_Geriatric@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago (2 children) "Ownership" totally does mean it's yours and you can do whatever you want with it. That means you can do it, not that you should, nor that what you do won't have consequences. It just means your phone won't stop you from downloading an unapproved app just like a gun won't stop you from loading an unapproved bullet. It means your gun has a safety mechanism you can unlock to shoot, as does your phone to download "unverified" apps. It means you can sell either freely to someone else without it becoming bricked or the new owner losing any rights (lookin' at you, Tesla cars). It means defaulting on the loan will require the physical reposession of your phone or gun, and that neither will magically lock you out of using it using telemetry. It means anyone with the right knowledge and tools can fix your phone and it'll work, just like your gun. It means your phone works for you, and not for someone else - just like your gun. Your phone is a tool. Just like your gun. It can be used for good - and for bad. What you do with it is up to you, and not up to it or its manufacturer. It means you can shoot people with your gun, just as you can extort and blackmail people with your phone. Nothing, other than your own morality, the morals of society and therule of law are preventing you from doing bad things. Certainly not the will of the manufacturer. Any forensic inquiry into a phone on a crime scene would be like that of a gun. Any taking of your phone from your home or person would require a warrant - like with a gun. Any inquiry into your phone's contents and qualities should require outside tools - like a similar inquiry into your gun. Your phone won't have a special police-only history of what you've used it for - like your gun. Your phone won't report what you've been doing with it to 3rd parties without your consent - like won't your gun. And so on. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] JackFrostNCola@aussie.zone 6 points 1 year ago As a non-american, using a gun as your comparison object is just so bizarre (and unrelatable). permalink fedilink source parent [+] FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au -5 points 1 year ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Capricorn_Geriatric@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago* "A phone's schematics are publically available, like those of a gun" I can assure you, I've written no such thing in my original reply. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) [–] teft@piefed.social 23 points 1 year ago (1 child) I love when newbie accounts think lemmy is reddit. Makes them easier to ignore. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply) [–] Goodlucksil@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 1 year ago (1 child) But that's what it means. Or at least, it used to permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] blave@lemmy.world -13 points 1 year ago* (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Goodlucksil@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 1 year ago But possessing something indicates that you have rights over it that others do not. In this case, you have no rights that G doesn't. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) [–] INHALE_VEGETABLES@aussie.zone -4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) Truth post. You don't even have to enjoy the facts that you post. Lemmy is far too unhinged and emotional. If you state any fact they don't like, you are downvoted. I lovingly embrace any and all ironic downvotes I will get. Seeth with me ❤️ permalink fedilink source parent
[–] GrantsGhost@piefed.zip 78 points 1 year ago (12 children) It should permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [+] blave@lemmy.world -58 points 1 year ago (12 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] GrantsGhost@piefed.zip 50 points 1 year ago (4 children) Thats Apples and Oranges. Owning a phone is not like owning a a gun. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] blave@lemmy.world -41 points 1 year ago* (4 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] brygphilomena@lemmy.dbzer0.com 44 points 1 year ago (1 child) Except we aren't talking about the law. We are talking about corporations that sell you something and then retain control over it. You have no say in the process, you have no representation. These are not rules that we as a society have determined to be in the best interests of all of us. These are unilateral decisions placed upon us. You have no recourse if you disagree other than don't use the thing. Guns don't prevent you from doing anything. You still have the capability to do whatever you want with the thing. However, if you use it in a manner than harms someone else, in a way that we as a society have proposed, voted, and created laws prohibiting, then you deal with the consequences. But that is very different from having something in the gun that prevents it from taking ammo from another manufacturer. Or making it unable to shoot unless you pay a monthly fee. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] blave@lemmy.world -22 points 1 year ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] brygphilomena@lemmy.dbzer0.com 19 points 1 year ago No. We weren't. This discussion was about phones and the software we are being allowed to install on them. The law does nothing to restrict us in that capacity. The restrictions are imposed by the manufacturer of the phone. You made the fallacious false equivalency of comparing that with guns and laws. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) [–] AbidanYre@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child) Right, you can't break the law. Gun manufacturers are very explicitly not responsible if you break the law with one of the items they manufactured. This is more like the gun manufacturer coming back two years after you bought it and preventing you from using bullets from a vendor they don't approve of. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au -7 points 1 year ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] AbidanYre@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago Taking away functionality is a selling point? What a load of bullshit. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies) [–] artyom@piefed.social 14 points 1 year ago (4 children) They can do whatever they want with them, that's why we have shootings. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] blave@lemmy.world -18 points 1 year ago (4 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] artyom@piefed.social 11 points 1 year ago* (3 children) If they couldn't, then they wouldn't, but they obviously can, because they do. This is not complicated. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [+] blave@lemmy.world -10 points 1 year ago* (3 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] ChilledPeppers@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 1 year ago (1 child) I feel like I am feeding a troll, but let me break this down: If you have a gun, you can point it at anything and pull the trigger, you don't need the permission of the manufacturer to do so. Not with a phone, you CAN'T load any software you want into your phone. That's the difference, you can do whatever you want with a gun, and if you mess up, you go to jail. You can't do whatever you want with your phone, only what the corp.s (apple) allow you to. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] blave@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] gladflag@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 year ago “Dictionary definition” Google Go lick a boot mate. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) [–] artyom@piefed.social 5 points 1 year ago ...you just said it did. That was the initiation of this entire conversation. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies) [–] Cold_Brew_Enema@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago What a fucking stupid moronic take. Go back to reddit permalink fedilink source parent [–] Attacker94@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago If they don't break the law then yes permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies)
[+] blave@lemmy.world -58 points 1 year ago (12 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] GrantsGhost@piefed.zip 50 points 1 year ago (4 children) Thats Apples and Oranges. Owning a phone is not like owning a a gun. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] blave@lemmy.world -41 points 1 year ago* (4 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] brygphilomena@lemmy.dbzer0.com 44 points 1 year ago (1 child) Except we aren't talking about the law. We are talking about corporations that sell you something and then retain control over it. You have no say in the process, you have no representation. These are not rules that we as a society have determined to be in the best interests of all of us. These are unilateral decisions placed upon us. You have no recourse if you disagree other than don't use the thing. Guns don't prevent you from doing anything. You still have the capability to do whatever you want with the thing. However, if you use it in a manner than harms someone else, in a way that we as a society have proposed, voted, and created laws prohibiting, then you deal with the consequences. But that is very different from having something in the gun that prevents it from taking ammo from another manufacturer. Or making it unable to shoot unless you pay a monthly fee. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] blave@lemmy.world -22 points 1 year ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] brygphilomena@lemmy.dbzer0.com 19 points 1 year ago No. We weren't. This discussion was about phones and the software we are being allowed to install on them. The law does nothing to restrict us in that capacity. The restrictions are imposed by the manufacturer of the phone. You made the fallacious false equivalency of comparing that with guns and laws. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) [–] AbidanYre@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child) Right, you can't break the law. Gun manufacturers are very explicitly not responsible if you break the law with one of the items they manufactured. This is more like the gun manufacturer coming back two years after you bought it and preventing you from using bullets from a vendor they don't approve of. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au -7 points 1 year ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] AbidanYre@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago Taking away functionality is a selling point? What a load of bullshit. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies) [–] artyom@piefed.social 14 points 1 year ago (4 children) They can do whatever they want with them, that's why we have shootings. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] blave@lemmy.world -18 points 1 year ago (4 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] artyom@piefed.social 11 points 1 year ago* (3 children) If they couldn't, then they wouldn't, but they obviously can, because they do. This is not complicated. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [+] blave@lemmy.world -10 points 1 year ago* (3 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] ChilledPeppers@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 1 year ago (1 child) I feel like I am feeding a troll, but let me break this down: If you have a gun, you can point it at anything and pull the trigger, you don't need the permission of the manufacturer to do so. Not with a phone, you CAN'T load any software you want into your phone. That's the difference, you can do whatever you want with a gun, and if you mess up, you go to jail. You can't do whatever you want with your phone, only what the corp.s (apple) allow you to. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] blave@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] gladflag@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 year ago “Dictionary definition” Google Go lick a boot mate. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) [–] artyom@piefed.social 5 points 1 year ago ...you just said it did. That was the initiation of this entire conversation. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies) [–] Cold_Brew_Enema@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago What a fucking stupid moronic take. Go back to reddit permalink fedilink source parent [–] Attacker94@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago If they don't break the law then yes permalink fedilink source parent
[–] GrantsGhost@piefed.zip 50 points 1 year ago (4 children) Thats Apples and Oranges. Owning a phone is not like owning a a gun. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] blave@lemmy.world -41 points 1 year ago* (4 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] brygphilomena@lemmy.dbzer0.com 44 points 1 year ago (1 child) Except we aren't talking about the law. We are talking about corporations that sell you something and then retain control over it. You have no say in the process, you have no representation. These are not rules that we as a society have determined to be in the best interests of all of us. These are unilateral decisions placed upon us. You have no recourse if you disagree other than don't use the thing. Guns don't prevent you from doing anything. You still have the capability to do whatever you want with the thing. However, if you use it in a manner than harms someone else, in a way that we as a society have proposed, voted, and created laws prohibiting, then you deal with the consequences. But that is very different from having something in the gun that prevents it from taking ammo from another manufacturer. Or making it unable to shoot unless you pay a monthly fee. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] blave@lemmy.world -22 points 1 year ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] brygphilomena@lemmy.dbzer0.com 19 points 1 year ago No. We weren't. This discussion was about phones and the software we are being allowed to install on them. The law does nothing to restrict us in that capacity. The restrictions are imposed by the manufacturer of the phone. You made the fallacious false equivalency of comparing that with guns and laws. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) [–] AbidanYre@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child) Right, you can't break the law. Gun manufacturers are very explicitly not responsible if you break the law with one of the items they manufactured. This is more like the gun manufacturer coming back two years after you bought it and preventing you from using bullets from a vendor they don't approve of. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au -7 points 1 year ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] AbidanYre@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago Taking away functionality is a selling point? What a load of bullshit. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies)
[+] blave@lemmy.world -41 points 1 year ago* (4 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] brygphilomena@lemmy.dbzer0.com 44 points 1 year ago (1 child) Except we aren't talking about the law. We are talking about corporations that sell you something and then retain control over it. You have no say in the process, you have no representation. These are not rules that we as a society have determined to be in the best interests of all of us. These are unilateral decisions placed upon us. You have no recourse if you disagree other than don't use the thing. Guns don't prevent you from doing anything. You still have the capability to do whatever you want with the thing. However, if you use it in a manner than harms someone else, in a way that we as a society have proposed, voted, and created laws prohibiting, then you deal with the consequences. But that is very different from having something in the gun that prevents it from taking ammo from another manufacturer. Or making it unable to shoot unless you pay a monthly fee. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] blave@lemmy.world -22 points 1 year ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] brygphilomena@lemmy.dbzer0.com 19 points 1 year ago No. We weren't. This discussion was about phones and the software we are being allowed to install on them. The law does nothing to restrict us in that capacity. The restrictions are imposed by the manufacturer of the phone. You made the fallacious false equivalency of comparing that with guns and laws. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) [–] AbidanYre@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child) Right, you can't break the law. Gun manufacturers are very explicitly not responsible if you break the law with one of the items they manufactured. This is more like the gun manufacturer coming back two years after you bought it and preventing you from using bullets from a vendor they don't approve of. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au -7 points 1 year ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] AbidanYre@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago Taking away functionality is a selling point? What a load of bullshit. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies)
[–] brygphilomena@lemmy.dbzer0.com 44 points 1 year ago (1 child) Except we aren't talking about the law. We are talking about corporations that sell you something and then retain control over it. You have no say in the process, you have no representation. These are not rules that we as a society have determined to be in the best interests of all of us. These are unilateral decisions placed upon us. You have no recourse if you disagree other than don't use the thing. Guns don't prevent you from doing anything. You still have the capability to do whatever you want with the thing. However, if you use it in a manner than harms someone else, in a way that we as a society have proposed, voted, and created laws prohibiting, then you deal with the consequences. But that is very different from having something in the gun that prevents it from taking ammo from another manufacturer. Or making it unable to shoot unless you pay a monthly fee. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] blave@lemmy.world -22 points 1 year ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] brygphilomena@lemmy.dbzer0.com 19 points 1 year ago No. We weren't. This discussion was about phones and the software we are being allowed to install on them. The law does nothing to restrict us in that capacity. The restrictions are imposed by the manufacturer of the phone. You made the fallacious false equivalency of comparing that with guns and laws. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies)
[+] blave@lemmy.world -22 points 1 year ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] brygphilomena@lemmy.dbzer0.com 19 points 1 year ago No. We weren't. This discussion was about phones and the software we are being allowed to install on them. The law does nothing to restrict us in that capacity. The restrictions are imposed by the manufacturer of the phone. You made the fallacious false equivalency of comparing that with guns and laws. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] brygphilomena@lemmy.dbzer0.com 19 points 1 year ago No. We weren't. This discussion was about phones and the software we are being allowed to install on them. The law does nothing to restrict us in that capacity. The restrictions are imposed by the manufacturer of the phone. You made the fallacious false equivalency of comparing that with guns and laws. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] AbidanYre@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child) Right, you can't break the law. Gun manufacturers are very explicitly not responsible if you break the law with one of the items they manufactured. This is more like the gun manufacturer coming back two years after you bought it and preventing you from using bullets from a vendor they don't approve of. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au -7 points 1 year ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] AbidanYre@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago Taking away functionality is a selling point? What a load of bullshit. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies)
[+] FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au -7 points 1 year ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] AbidanYre@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago Taking away functionality is a selling point? What a load of bullshit. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] AbidanYre@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago Taking away functionality is a selling point? What a load of bullshit. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] artyom@piefed.social 14 points 1 year ago (4 children) They can do whatever they want with them, that's why we have shootings. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] blave@lemmy.world -18 points 1 year ago (4 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] artyom@piefed.social 11 points 1 year ago* (3 children) If they couldn't, then they wouldn't, but they obviously can, because they do. This is not complicated. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [+] blave@lemmy.world -10 points 1 year ago* (3 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] ChilledPeppers@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 1 year ago (1 child) I feel like I am feeding a troll, but let me break this down: If you have a gun, you can point it at anything and pull the trigger, you don't need the permission of the manufacturer to do so. Not with a phone, you CAN'T load any software you want into your phone. That's the difference, you can do whatever you want with a gun, and if you mess up, you go to jail. You can't do whatever you want with your phone, only what the corp.s (apple) allow you to. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] blave@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] gladflag@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 year ago “Dictionary definition” Google Go lick a boot mate. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) [–] artyom@piefed.social 5 points 1 year ago ...you just said it did. That was the initiation of this entire conversation. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies)
[+] blave@lemmy.world -18 points 1 year ago (4 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] artyom@piefed.social 11 points 1 year ago* (3 children) If they couldn't, then they wouldn't, but they obviously can, because they do. This is not complicated. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [+] blave@lemmy.world -10 points 1 year ago* (3 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] ChilledPeppers@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 1 year ago (1 child) I feel like I am feeding a troll, but let me break this down: If you have a gun, you can point it at anything and pull the trigger, you don't need the permission of the manufacturer to do so. Not with a phone, you CAN'T load any software you want into your phone. That's the difference, you can do whatever you want with a gun, and if you mess up, you go to jail. You can't do whatever you want with your phone, only what the corp.s (apple) allow you to. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] blave@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] gladflag@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 year ago “Dictionary definition” Google Go lick a boot mate. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) [–] artyom@piefed.social 5 points 1 year ago ...you just said it did. That was the initiation of this entire conversation. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies)
[–] artyom@piefed.social 11 points 1 year ago* (3 children) If they couldn't, then they wouldn't, but they obviously can, because they do. This is not complicated. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [+] blave@lemmy.world -10 points 1 year ago* (3 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] ChilledPeppers@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 1 year ago (1 child) I feel like I am feeding a troll, but let me break this down: If you have a gun, you can point it at anything and pull the trigger, you don't need the permission of the manufacturer to do so. Not with a phone, you CAN'T load any software you want into your phone. That's the difference, you can do whatever you want with a gun, and if you mess up, you go to jail. You can't do whatever you want with your phone, only what the corp.s (apple) allow you to. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] blave@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] gladflag@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 year ago “Dictionary definition” Google Go lick a boot mate. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) [–] artyom@piefed.social 5 points 1 year ago ...you just said it did. That was the initiation of this entire conversation. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies)
[+] blave@lemmy.world -10 points 1 year ago* (3 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] ChilledPeppers@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 1 year ago (1 child) I feel like I am feeding a troll, but let me break this down: If you have a gun, you can point it at anything and pull the trigger, you don't need the permission of the manufacturer to do so. Not with a phone, you CAN'T load any software you want into your phone. That's the difference, you can do whatever you want with a gun, and if you mess up, you go to jail. You can't do whatever you want with your phone, only what the corp.s (apple) allow you to. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] blave@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] gladflag@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 year ago “Dictionary definition” Google Go lick a boot mate. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) [–] artyom@piefed.social 5 points 1 year ago ...you just said it did. That was the initiation of this entire conversation. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ChilledPeppers@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 1 year ago (1 child) I feel like I am feeding a troll, but let me break this down: If you have a gun, you can point it at anything and pull the trigger, you don't need the permission of the manufacturer to do so. Not with a phone, you CAN'T load any software you want into your phone. That's the difference, you can do whatever you want with a gun, and if you mess up, you go to jail. You can't do whatever you want with your phone, only what the corp.s (apple) allow you to. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] blave@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] gladflag@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 year ago “Dictionary definition” Google Go lick a boot mate. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies)
[+] blave@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] gladflag@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 year ago “Dictionary definition” Google Go lick a boot mate. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] gladflag@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 year ago “Dictionary definition” Google Go lick a boot mate. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] artyom@piefed.social 5 points 1 year ago ...you just said it did. That was the initiation of this entire conversation. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Cold_Brew_Enema@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago What a fucking stupid moronic take. Go back to reddit permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Attacker94@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago If they don't break the law then yes permalink fedilink source parent
[+] SARGE@startrek.website 40 points 1 year ago (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] blave@lemmy.world -32 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] AbidanYre@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago* (1 child) The state of having complete legal control of something; Ownership is the state or fact of legal possession and control over property, the act of having and controlling property Control is a key part of ownership. If Google controls what you can install on a device, it isn't yours. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au -7 points 1 year ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] AbidanYre@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago* You're licking those corporate boots awfully hard for someone calling themselves Freedom advocate. You can certainly choose not to update it, but you just miss out on anything that requires those updates - like access to the Google play services. And that will do wonders for the security that Google claims is the reason behind this change, won't it. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies)
[+] blave@lemmy.world -32 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] AbidanYre@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago* (1 child) The state of having complete legal control of something; Ownership is the state or fact of legal possession and control over property, the act of having and controlling property Control is a key part of ownership. If Google controls what you can install on a device, it isn't yours. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au -7 points 1 year ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] AbidanYre@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago* You're licking those corporate boots awfully hard for someone calling themselves Freedom advocate. You can certainly choose not to update it, but you just miss out on anything that requires those updates - like access to the Google play services. And that will do wonders for the security that Google claims is the reason behind this change, won't it. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies)
[–] AbidanYre@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago* (1 child) The state of having complete legal control of something; Ownership is the state or fact of legal possession and control over property, the act of having and controlling property Control is a key part of ownership. If Google controls what you can install on a device, it isn't yours. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au -7 points 1 year ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] AbidanYre@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago* You're licking those corporate boots awfully hard for someone calling themselves Freedom advocate. You can certainly choose not to update it, but you just miss out on anything that requires those updates - like access to the Google play services. And that will do wonders for the security that Google claims is the reason behind this change, won't it. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies)
[+] FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au -7 points 1 year ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] AbidanYre@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago* You're licking those corporate boots awfully hard for someone calling themselves Freedom advocate. You can certainly choose not to update it, but you just miss out on anything that requires those updates - like access to the Google play services. And that will do wonders for the security that Google claims is the reason behind this change, won't it. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] AbidanYre@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago* You're licking those corporate boots awfully hard for someone calling themselves Freedom advocate. You can certainly choose not to update it, but you just miss out on anything that requires those updates - like access to the Google play services. And that will do wonders for the security that Google claims is the reason behind this change, won't it. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Capricorn_Geriatric@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago (2 children) "Ownership" totally does mean it's yours and you can do whatever you want with it. That means you can do it, not that you should, nor that what you do won't have consequences. It just means your phone won't stop you from downloading an unapproved app just like a gun won't stop you from loading an unapproved bullet. It means your gun has a safety mechanism you can unlock to shoot, as does your phone to download "unverified" apps. It means you can sell either freely to someone else without it becoming bricked or the new owner losing any rights (lookin' at you, Tesla cars). It means defaulting on the loan will require the physical reposession of your phone or gun, and that neither will magically lock you out of using it using telemetry. It means anyone with the right knowledge and tools can fix your phone and it'll work, just like your gun. It means your phone works for you, and not for someone else - just like your gun. Your phone is a tool. Just like your gun. It can be used for good - and for bad. What you do with it is up to you, and not up to it or its manufacturer. It means you can shoot people with your gun, just as you can extort and blackmail people with your phone. Nothing, other than your own morality, the morals of society and therule of law are preventing you from doing bad things. Certainly not the will of the manufacturer. Any forensic inquiry into a phone on a crime scene would be like that of a gun. Any taking of your phone from your home or person would require a warrant - like with a gun. Any inquiry into your phone's contents and qualities should require outside tools - like a similar inquiry into your gun. Your phone won't have a special police-only history of what you've used it for - like your gun. Your phone won't report what you've been doing with it to 3rd parties without your consent - like won't your gun. And so on. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] JackFrostNCola@aussie.zone 6 points 1 year ago As a non-american, using a gun as your comparison object is just so bizarre (and unrelatable). permalink fedilink source parent [+] FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au -5 points 1 year ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Capricorn_Geriatric@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago* "A phone's schematics are publically available, like those of a gun" I can assure you, I've written no such thing in my original reply. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies)
[–] JackFrostNCola@aussie.zone 6 points 1 year ago As a non-american, using a gun as your comparison object is just so bizarre (and unrelatable). permalink fedilink source parent
[+] FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au -5 points 1 year ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Capricorn_Geriatric@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago* "A phone's schematics are publically available, like those of a gun" I can assure you, I've written no such thing in my original reply. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Capricorn_Geriatric@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago* "A phone's schematics are publically available, like those of a gun" I can assure you, I've written no such thing in my original reply. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] teft@piefed.social 23 points 1 year ago (1 child) I love when newbie accounts think lemmy is reddit. Makes them easier to ignore. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply)
[–] Goodlucksil@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 1 year ago (1 child) But that's what it means. Or at least, it used to permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] blave@lemmy.world -13 points 1 year ago* (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Goodlucksil@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 1 year ago But possessing something indicates that you have rights over it that others do not. In this case, you have no rights that G doesn't. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies)
[+] blave@lemmy.world -13 points 1 year ago* (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Goodlucksil@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 1 year ago But possessing something indicates that you have rights over it that others do not. In this case, you have no rights that G doesn't. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Goodlucksil@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 1 year ago But possessing something indicates that you have rights over it that others do not. In this case, you have no rights that G doesn't. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] INHALE_VEGETABLES@aussie.zone -4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) Truth post. You don't even have to enjoy the facts that you post. Lemmy is far too unhinged and emotional. If you state any fact they don't like, you are downvoted. I lovingly embrace any and all ironic downvotes I will get. Seeth with me ❤️ permalink fedilink source parent