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[+] blave@lemmy.world -58 points 1 year ago (12 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] GrantsGhost@piefed.zip 50 points 1 year ago (4 children) Thats Apples and Oranges. Owning a phone is not like owning a a gun. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] blave@lemmy.world -41 points 1 year ago* (4 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] brygphilomena@lemmy.dbzer0.com 44 points 1 year ago (1 child) Except we aren't talking about the law. We are talking about corporations that sell you something and then retain control over it. You have no say in the process, you have no representation. These are not rules that we as a society have determined to be in the best interests of all of us. These are unilateral decisions placed upon us. You have no recourse if you disagree other than don't use the thing. Guns don't prevent you from doing anything. You still have the capability to do whatever you want with the thing. However, if you use it in a manner than harms someone else, in a way that we as a society have proposed, voted, and created laws prohibiting, then you deal with the consequences. But that is very different from having something in the gun that prevents it from taking ammo from another manufacturer. Or making it unable to shoot unless you pay a monthly fee. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] blave@lemmy.world -22 points 1 year ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] brygphilomena@lemmy.dbzer0.com 19 points 1 year ago No. We weren't. This discussion was about phones and the software we are being allowed to install on them. The law does nothing to restrict us in that capacity. The restrictions are imposed by the manufacturer of the phone. You made the fallacious false equivalency of comparing that with guns and laws. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) [–] AbidanYre@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child) Right, you can't break the law. Gun manufacturers are very explicitly not responsible if you break the law with one of the items they manufactured. This is more like the gun manufacturer coming back two years after you bought it and preventing you from using bullets from a vendor they don't approve of. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au -7 points 1 year ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] AbidanYre@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago Taking away functionality is a selling point? What a load of bullshit. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies) [–] artyom@piefed.social 14 points 1 year ago (4 children) They can do whatever they want with them, that's why we have shootings. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] blave@lemmy.world -18 points 1 year ago (4 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] artyom@piefed.social 11 points 1 year ago* (3 children) If they couldn't, then they wouldn't, but they obviously can, because they do. This is not complicated. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [+] blave@lemmy.world -10 points 1 year ago* (3 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] ChilledPeppers@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 1 year ago (1 child) I feel like I am feeding a troll, but let me break this down: If you have a gun, you can point it at anything and pull the trigger, you don't need the permission of the manufacturer to do so. Not with a phone, you CAN'T load any software you want into your phone. That's the difference, you can do whatever you want with a gun, and if you mess up, you go to jail. You can't do whatever you want with your phone, only what the corp.s (apple) allow you to. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] blave@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] gladflag@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 year ago “Dictionary definition” Google Go lick a boot mate. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) [–] artyom@piefed.social 5 points 1 year ago ...you just said it did. That was the initiation of this entire conversation. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies) [–] Cold_Brew_Enema@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago What a fucking stupid moronic take. Go back to reddit permalink fedilink source parent [–] Attacker94@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago If they don't break the law then yes permalink fedilink source parent
[–] GrantsGhost@piefed.zip 50 points 1 year ago (4 children) Thats Apples and Oranges. Owning a phone is not like owning a a gun. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] blave@lemmy.world -41 points 1 year ago* (4 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] brygphilomena@lemmy.dbzer0.com 44 points 1 year ago (1 child) Except we aren't talking about the law. We are talking about corporations that sell you something and then retain control over it. You have no say in the process, you have no representation. These are not rules that we as a society have determined to be in the best interests of all of us. These are unilateral decisions placed upon us. You have no recourse if you disagree other than don't use the thing. Guns don't prevent you from doing anything. You still have the capability to do whatever you want with the thing. However, if you use it in a manner than harms someone else, in a way that we as a society have proposed, voted, and created laws prohibiting, then you deal with the consequences. But that is very different from having something in the gun that prevents it from taking ammo from another manufacturer. Or making it unable to shoot unless you pay a monthly fee. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] blave@lemmy.world -22 points 1 year ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] brygphilomena@lemmy.dbzer0.com 19 points 1 year ago No. We weren't. This discussion was about phones and the software we are being allowed to install on them. The law does nothing to restrict us in that capacity. The restrictions are imposed by the manufacturer of the phone. You made the fallacious false equivalency of comparing that with guns and laws. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) [–] AbidanYre@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child) Right, you can't break the law. Gun manufacturers are very explicitly not responsible if you break the law with one of the items they manufactured. This is more like the gun manufacturer coming back two years after you bought it and preventing you from using bullets from a vendor they don't approve of. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au -7 points 1 year ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] AbidanYre@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago Taking away functionality is a selling point? What a load of bullshit. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies)
[+] blave@lemmy.world -41 points 1 year ago* (4 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] brygphilomena@lemmy.dbzer0.com 44 points 1 year ago (1 child) Except we aren't talking about the law. We are talking about corporations that sell you something and then retain control over it. You have no say in the process, you have no representation. These are not rules that we as a society have determined to be in the best interests of all of us. These are unilateral decisions placed upon us. You have no recourse if you disagree other than don't use the thing. Guns don't prevent you from doing anything. You still have the capability to do whatever you want with the thing. However, if you use it in a manner than harms someone else, in a way that we as a society have proposed, voted, and created laws prohibiting, then you deal with the consequences. But that is very different from having something in the gun that prevents it from taking ammo from another manufacturer. Or making it unable to shoot unless you pay a monthly fee. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] blave@lemmy.world -22 points 1 year ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] brygphilomena@lemmy.dbzer0.com 19 points 1 year ago No. We weren't. This discussion was about phones and the software we are being allowed to install on them. The law does nothing to restrict us in that capacity. The restrictions are imposed by the manufacturer of the phone. You made the fallacious false equivalency of comparing that with guns and laws. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) [–] AbidanYre@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child) Right, you can't break the law. Gun manufacturers are very explicitly not responsible if you break the law with one of the items they manufactured. This is more like the gun manufacturer coming back two years after you bought it and preventing you from using bullets from a vendor they don't approve of. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au -7 points 1 year ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] AbidanYre@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago Taking away functionality is a selling point? What a load of bullshit. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies)
[–] brygphilomena@lemmy.dbzer0.com 44 points 1 year ago (1 child) Except we aren't talking about the law. We are talking about corporations that sell you something and then retain control over it. You have no say in the process, you have no representation. These are not rules that we as a society have determined to be in the best interests of all of us. These are unilateral decisions placed upon us. You have no recourse if you disagree other than don't use the thing. Guns don't prevent you from doing anything. You still have the capability to do whatever you want with the thing. However, if you use it in a manner than harms someone else, in a way that we as a society have proposed, voted, and created laws prohibiting, then you deal with the consequences. But that is very different from having something in the gun that prevents it from taking ammo from another manufacturer. Or making it unable to shoot unless you pay a monthly fee. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] blave@lemmy.world -22 points 1 year ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] brygphilomena@lemmy.dbzer0.com 19 points 1 year ago No. We weren't. This discussion was about phones and the software we are being allowed to install on them. The law does nothing to restrict us in that capacity. The restrictions are imposed by the manufacturer of the phone. You made the fallacious false equivalency of comparing that with guns and laws. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies)
[+] blave@lemmy.world -22 points 1 year ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] brygphilomena@lemmy.dbzer0.com 19 points 1 year ago No. We weren't. This discussion was about phones and the software we are being allowed to install on them. The law does nothing to restrict us in that capacity. The restrictions are imposed by the manufacturer of the phone. You made the fallacious false equivalency of comparing that with guns and laws. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] brygphilomena@lemmy.dbzer0.com 19 points 1 year ago No. We weren't. This discussion was about phones and the software we are being allowed to install on them. The law does nothing to restrict us in that capacity. The restrictions are imposed by the manufacturer of the phone. You made the fallacious false equivalency of comparing that with guns and laws. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] AbidanYre@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child) Right, you can't break the law. Gun manufacturers are very explicitly not responsible if you break the law with one of the items they manufactured. This is more like the gun manufacturer coming back two years after you bought it and preventing you from using bullets from a vendor they don't approve of. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au -7 points 1 year ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] AbidanYre@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago Taking away functionality is a selling point? What a load of bullshit. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies)
[+] FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au -7 points 1 year ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] AbidanYre@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago Taking away functionality is a selling point? What a load of bullshit. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] AbidanYre@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago Taking away functionality is a selling point? What a load of bullshit. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] artyom@piefed.social 14 points 1 year ago (4 children) They can do whatever they want with them, that's why we have shootings. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] blave@lemmy.world -18 points 1 year ago (4 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] artyom@piefed.social 11 points 1 year ago* (3 children) If they couldn't, then they wouldn't, but they obviously can, because they do. This is not complicated. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [+] blave@lemmy.world -10 points 1 year ago* (3 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] ChilledPeppers@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 1 year ago (1 child) I feel like I am feeding a troll, but let me break this down: If you have a gun, you can point it at anything and pull the trigger, you don't need the permission of the manufacturer to do so. Not with a phone, you CAN'T load any software you want into your phone. That's the difference, you can do whatever you want with a gun, and if you mess up, you go to jail. You can't do whatever you want with your phone, only what the corp.s (apple) allow you to. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] blave@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] gladflag@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 year ago “Dictionary definition” Google Go lick a boot mate. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) [–] artyom@piefed.social 5 points 1 year ago ...you just said it did. That was the initiation of this entire conversation. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies)
[+] blave@lemmy.world -18 points 1 year ago (4 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] artyom@piefed.social 11 points 1 year ago* (3 children) If they couldn't, then they wouldn't, but they obviously can, because they do. This is not complicated. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [+] blave@lemmy.world -10 points 1 year ago* (3 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] ChilledPeppers@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 1 year ago (1 child) I feel like I am feeding a troll, but let me break this down: If you have a gun, you can point it at anything and pull the trigger, you don't need the permission of the manufacturer to do so. Not with a phone, you CAN'T load any software you want into your phone. That's the difference, you can do whatever you want with a gun, and if you mess up, you go to jail. You can't do whatever you want with your phone, only what the corp.s (apple) allow you to. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] blave@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] gladflag@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 year ago “Dictionary definition” Google Go lick a boot mate. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) [–] artyom@piefed.social 5 points 1 year ago ...you just said it did. That was the initiation of this entire conversation. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies)
[–] artyom@piefed.social 11 points 1 year ago* (3 children) If they couldn't, then they wouldn't, but they obviously can, because they do. This is not complicated. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [+] blave@lemmy.world -10 points 1 year ago* (3 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] ChilledPeppers@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 1 year ago (1 child) I feel like I am feeding a troll, but let me break this down: If you have a gun, you can point it at anything and pull the trigger, you don't need the permission of the manufacturer to do so. Not with a phone, you CAN'T load any software you want into your phone. That's the difference, you can do whatever you want with a gun, and if you mess up, you go to jail. You can't do whatever you want with your phone, only what the corp.s (apple) allow you to. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] blave@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] gladflag@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 year ago “Dictionary definition” Google Go lick a boot mate. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) [–] artyom@piefed.social 5 points 1 year ago ...you just said it did. That was the initiation of this entire conversation. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies)
[+] blave@lemmy.world -10 points 1 year ago* (3 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] ChilledPeppers@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 1 year ago (1 child) I feel like I am feeding a troll, but let me break this down: If you have a gun, you can point it at anything and pull the trigger, you don't need the permission of the manufacturer to do so. Not with a phone, you CAN'T load any software you want into your phone. That's the difference, you can do whatever you want with a gun, and if you mess up, you go to jail. You can't do whatever you want with your phone, only what the corp.s (apple) allow you to. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] blave@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] gladflag@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 year ago “Dictionary definition” Google Go lick a boot mate. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) [–] artyom@piefed.social 5 points 1 year ago ...you just said it did. That was the initiation of this entire conversation. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ChilledPeppers@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 1 year ago (1 child) I feel like I am feeding a troll, but let me break this down: If you have a gun, you can point it at anything and pull the trigger, you don't need the permission of the manufacturer to do so. Not with a phone, you CAN'T load any software you want into your phone. That's the difference, you can do whatever you want with a gun, and if you mess up, you go to jail. You can't do whatever you want with your phone, only what the corp.s (apple) allow you to. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] blave@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] gladflag@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 year ago “Dictionary definition” Google Go lick a boot mate. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies)
[+] blave@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] gladflag@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 year ago “Dictionary definition” Google Go lick a boot mate. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] gladflag@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 year ago “Dictionary definition” Google Go lick a boot mate. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] artyom@piefed.social 5 points 1 year ago ...you just said it did. That was the initiation of this entire conversation. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Cold_Brew_Enema@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago What a fucking stupid moronic take. Go back to reddit permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Attacker94@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago If they don't break the law then yes permalink fedilink source parent