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flohmarkt a federated alternative to ebay and facebook marketplace (codeberg.org)
submitted 1 year ago by to c/selfhosted@lemmy.world
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[–] 5 points 1 year ago (8 children)

Lets say I live in the United Stats for 6 months out of the year, Spain for 2 months, Japan for 2 months, and Brazil for 2 months. Based on this design, I need servers to exist in 4 different regions.

Why?

If I'm on anarchist.nexus, I can browse lemmy.ca. I can make a local community on anarchist.nexus for my town. A user from feddit.dk can then browse and chat with me. Maybe they lived there? Maybe they'll be back for a month in a few weeks! They can post about that in my extremely localized community.

If we switch that to items - that user from feddit.dk can't post a listing to my local community, can they?

Why is it determined by a server region? Why isn't it, for example, a server dedicated to listings about sports memorabilia? Do I care where the signed baseball I want to buy is? Do I care where the buyer is from that wants my tennis racket I've put up for sale?

What relevance is the region to the server? The relevance is to the listing.

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  • [–] -4 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    Because this is a location specific classified page and not a global social network obviously 🙄

    I really don't get how this is so hard to understand. This is how all of these classified pages have always worked all the way back to when they were still printed in local newspapers or were just a pinboard in the local supermarket.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    not a global social network obviously

    So.... whats the point in federation?

    This is how all of these classified pages have always worked all the way back to when they were still printed in local newspapers or were just a pinboard in the local supermarket.

    It is exactly how classifieds in newspapers or a board at a supermarket works, yes!

    It is in no way how an online classified system (craigslist, ebay, offerup, etc) works.

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  • [–] -3 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Commercial centralized online classified systems have a massive problem with ads from commercial sellers as a result, yes. Is that really what you want?

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Commercial centralized online classified systems have a massive problem with ads from commercial sellers as a result, yes.

    Lets go to the example from earlier - craigslist. They do not do advertisements. Specific types of listings cost money. That is how craigslist makes money.

    Do you mean sellers who make listings in many locations? Does flohmarkt have any controls to prevent that? Because from what I can see.... no, it doesn't.

    Again, lets return to the actual problem:

    How do I, as a user in the United States, join and participate? As a user, not an admin. Right now.

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  • [–] -2 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    There is no distinction between users and admins. You can set up your own instance if you feel like there is a demand for it in your city. That is how decentralized community owned systems work. The same is true for Lemmy.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    There is no distinction between users and admins.

    I'm sorry, but this is an absolute horror show of a sentence.

    You can set up your own instance if you feel like there is a demand for it in your city.

    Why would I need a whole new instance for that? What benefit is there to locking an instance to a region rather than a listing to a region?

    Its not a technical limitation. Its not even a functional limitation for the trade or sale of someone's stuff.

    What happens when that server owner changes their region that they live?

    Do you expect each person to stand up their own instance?

    How do I, as a user, and lets assume I don't have the technical ability or the infrastructure necessary to support standing up my own instance, use flohmarkt in the United States?

    What technical reason is there for this limitation?

    What functional reason is there for this limitation?

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  • [–] -3 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    It is a good design goal to foster decentralisation.

    And the creator of an instance can and should hand over responsibility to a local coop or at least a different person still interested in the location the Flohmarkt instance caters to.

    And please stop demeaning yourself as a user. Are you a drug addict or what?

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago

    It is a good design goal to foster decentralisation.

    Its a shitty design that fosters silos.

    And please stop demeaning yourself as a user. Are you a drug addict or what?

    Stop being an asshole. I'm explaining a position and a use case, which is used for good software design.

    This is a shit design. Many others have said the same and expressed their concern. You have decided to act like an asshole for no reason while I tried to explain why its a problematic design. You do that from a user perspective.

    There is zero reason for you to suddenly behave like a rotten kid who was just told his toy wasn't made well. Grow the fuck up.

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