Basically, the company had to pay for its own buyout when private equity firms KKL, Vornado, and Bain bought the company for $6.6 billion, mostly with loans.

Because the company then had to pay off those extreme loans, they were forced to sell off their assets and property, which they leased back from the very private equity firms that now owned them.

The same thing happened more recently with Red Lobster and JoAnn Fabrics.

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[–] 29 points 1 year ago (11 children)

What I don't understand about the whole thing is who ends up holding the bag of all that debt?

Like banks that lend them billions must be intelligent enough to know how private equity takeovers like this work. So if they lend them money, they surely would want to get that off their books asap. But who do they sell it to? I can't imagine there is any type of reinsurance for this, since insurance providers should know even better.

I imagine some of the debt is to employees and small contractors, but can that really account for such a massive sum?

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  • [–] 21 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    So the Equity Holders (The Private Equity firms) were largely shielded from risk as they had taken out billions in dividends and they had a small equity state relative to the debt meaning their downside was limited.

    The creditors (large banks) were left holding the bag, but they’d had years of interest payments so they wrote off the rest and likely still made some profit.

    Employees, suppliers, and landlords. Employees lose their jobs, suppliers get pennies on the dollar for what they’re owed and landlords might have got some money but still not all.

    So in short it was the banks, but don’t forget they had years of interest payments and after all they took the risk.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    The banks can also technically short the stock as well once the buyout was public, knowing how shit the deal was they can make money on the downside at the expense of all the pensions, 401ks etc that had initially bought the stock. There also isnt a limit that prevents shorting the stock more than shares are in existence. Hence why the gamestop situation was close to breaking the whole stock market a few years back when they started turning everything around for the companies bottom line. With the stock now able to make it think a bout a billion more shares over time the out for the short side has been sort of given without completely nuking the market. But as when the shares are diluted is up to the board it allows gamestop to take advantage of the short side to create more cash on hand for themselves threw timing their market offerings to coincide with when swaps that are housing those shorts come due. In the toys r us case the executives and board were happy to take their golden parachute from the buyout and let ordinary people's pensions and 401ks carry the bag for them in the form of the stock going to zero and eventually being delisted from the market.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Not sure this applies here as it was a private buyout meaning that there would be no stock to short.

    They could have shorted it before the buyout to get a better deal, but the banks didn’t buy it the just lent the money.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    So we make interest illegal and the whole scam falls apart, got it.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    and if you do that most of the economy fails because no one wants a bond that does nothing

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  • Sadly the only way is a lot more Luigi’s. If more CEO’s start getting wigged off maybe they’ll lobby for change.

    Just sad that most people have it just good enough to not want to risk prison forever to murder someone, although if I could get away with it I’d have no issue in pulling the trigger on these ghouls.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    Most debts are owned by the banks and the banks eat it. Then they have to make up the money somewhere else, so the costs go to the next round of borrowers, who then have to charge higher prices, so in the end we the consumer end up paying for it.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    Alot of debt gets bundled into bonds or other investment vehicles and sold. So small retail investors, retirement funds, etc end up holding the bag. Sometimes the banks lose, but they can take tax write offs and if the loses are too great, they can often get bailed out by the government.

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