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[+] bizdelnick@lemmy.ml -24 points 1 year ago (20 children) DevOps, not programmer. permalink fedilink source hideshow 20 child comments replies: [–] qaz@lemmy.world 23 points 1 year ago (7 children) Why not? Why doesn't the programmer want to test a container? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] davel@lemmy.ml 15 points 1 year ago (6 children) True. Nothing beats running your unit tests in the actual container image that will be run in production. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] HiddenLayer555@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 year ago* (2 children) Race condition that only happens on the much faster production hardware: Allow me to introduce myself permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] davel@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 year ago Unit tests can’t win ’em all. That’s where things like integration tests, staging environments, and load testing come in. The final layer of protection is the deployment strategy, be it rolling, canary, or blue-geen. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Qaz@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 year ago Or an issue that only appears when using ARM and not on my AMD64 dev machine permalink fedilink source parent [–] bjoern_tantau@swg-empire.de 5 points 1 year ago I mean, isn't that kind of the point of containers? To basically have the same environment everywhere. permalink fedilink source parent [–] qaz@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago Yeah, and it's useful to just check everything so you don't forget to add some essential system package for e.g. SSL, especially when working with Alpine. permalink fedilink source parent [–] bizdelnick@lemmy.ml 1 point 1 year ago Unit tests? No matter where you run them, and normally this is done by CI in a prebuilt container image, so you don't have to wait for "docker building". Acceptance tests must be run in an environment as close to production as possible, but that's definitely not a programmer's job. permalink fedilink source parent [–] bjoern_tantau@swg-empire.de 21 points 1 year ago (3 children) I wonder what the dev part of devops means. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] embed_me@programming.dev 12 points 1 year ago Devil 👿 permalink fedilink source parent [–] defaultusername@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 1 year ago Short for devine permalink fedilink source parent [–] wpb@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago At my previous job, we had a "Devops" team. We even outsourced some ops to a third party in the worst possible way (I'm talking "oh you want to set up an alert for something related to your service? Send us an email and we'll look into it" and so on). All the pre-devops pain magnified by an order of magnitude. Sometimes devs would do their own ops (I know, big shock!), and they would call it "shadow devops". Nearly fell off my chair when I first heard it. Kinda glad I'm not with them anymore. permalink fedilink source parent [–] PotatoesFall@discuss.tchncs.de 17 points 1 year ago (1 child) Most programmers are interacting with containers these days. The real question is why their build is taking so long. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply) [–] mogoh@lemmy.ml [S] 13 points 1 year ago (1 child) Guess I must turn in my programmer-badge. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] GammaGames@beehaw.org 7 points 1 year ago Apparently doing more than one thing makes you not a programmer 😔 permalink fedilink source parent [–] qisope@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago (1 child) what if I'm doing my programming inside a devcontainer? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] bizdelnick@lemmy.ml 1 point 1 year ago How often do you rebuild the image? permalink fedilink source parent [–] beeng@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 1 year ago* (1 child) Devops isn't a role. Platform Engineer maybe, but even then I'd say they were "developing" the platform. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] bizdelnick@lemmy.ml 1 point 1 year ago Devops engineer is a role. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] qaz@lemmy.world 23 points 1 year ago (7 children) Why not? Why doesn't the programmer want to test a container? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] davel@lemmy.ml 15 points 1 year ago (6 children) True. Nothing beats running your unit tests in the actual container image that will be run in production. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] HiddenLayer555@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 year ago* (2 children) Race condition that only happens on the much faster production hardware: Allow me to introduce myself permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] davel@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 year ago Unit tests can’t win ’em all. That’s where things like integration tests, staging environments, and load testing come in. The final layer of protection is the deployment strategy, be it rolling, canary, or blue-geen. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Qaz@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 year ago Or an issue that only appears when using ARM and not on my AMD64 dev machine permalink fedilink source parent [–] bjoern_tantau@swg-empire.de 5 points 1 year ago I mean, isn't that kind of the point of containers? To basically have the same environment everywhere. permalink fedilink source parent [–] qaz@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago Yeah, and it's useful to just check everything so you don't forget to add some essential system package for e.g. SSL, especially when working with Alpine. permalink fedilink source parent [–] bizdelnick@lemmy.ml 1 point 1 year ago Unit tests? No matter where you run them, and normally this is done by CI in a prebuilt container image, so you don't have to wait for "docker building". Acceptance tests must be run in an environment as close to production as possible, but that's definitely not a programmer's job. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] davel@lemmy.ml 15 points 1 year ago (6 children) True. Nothing beats running your unit tests in the actual container image that will be run in production. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] HiddenLayer555@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 year ago* (2 children) Race condition that only happens on the much faster production hardware: Allow me to introduce myself permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] davel@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 year ago Unit tests can’t win ’em all. That’s where things like integration tests, staging environments, and load testing come in. The final layer of protection is the deployment strategy, be it rolling, canary, or blue-geen. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Qaz@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 year ago Or an issue that only appears when using ARM and not on my AMD64 dev machine permalink fedilink source parent [–] bjoern_tantau@swg-empire.de 5 points 1 year ago I mean, isn't that kind of the point of containers? To basically have the same environment everywhere. permalink fedilink source parent [–] qaz@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago Yeah, and it's useful to just check everything so you don't forget to add some essential system package for e.g. SSL, especially when working with Alpine. permalink fedilink source parent [–] bizdelnick@lemmy.ml 1 point 1 year ago Unit tests? No matter where you run them, and normally this is done by CI in a prebuilt container image, so you don't have to wait for "docker building". Acceptance tests must be run in an environment as close to production as possible, but that's definitely not a programmer's job. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] HiddenLayer555@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 year ago* (2 children) Race condition that only happens on the much faster production hardware: Allow me to introduce myself permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] davel@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 year ago Unit tests can’t win ’em all. That’s where things like integration tests, staging environments, and load testing come in. The final layer of protection is the deployment strategy, be it rolling, canary, or blue-geen. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Qaz@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 year ago Or an issue that only appears when using ARM and not on my AMD64 dev machine permalink fedilink source parent
[–] davel@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 year ago Unit tests can’t win ’em all. That’s where things like integration tests, staging environments, and load testing come in. The final layer of protection is the deployment strategy, be it rolling, canary, or blue-geen. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Qaz@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 year ago Or an issue that only appears when using ARM and not on my AMD64 dev machine permalink fedilink source parent
[–] bjoern_tantau@swg-empire.de 5 points 1 year ago I mean, isn't that kind of the point of containers? To basically have the same environment everywhere. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] qaz@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago Yeah, and it's useful to just check everything so you don't forget to add some essential system package for e.g. SSL, especially when working with Alpine. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] bizdelnick@lemmy.ml 1 point 1 year ago Unit tests? No matter where you run them, and normally this is done by CI in a prebuilt container image, so you don't have to wait for "docker building". Acceptance tests must be run in an environment as close to production as possible, but that's definitely not a programmer's job. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] bjoern_tantau@swg-empire.de 21 points 1 year ago (3 children) I wonder what the dev part of devops means. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] embed_me@programming.dev 12 points 1 year ago Devil 👿 permalink fedilink source parent [–] defaultusername@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 1 year ago Short for devine permalink fedilink source parent [–] wpb@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago At my previous job, we had a "Devops" team. We even outsourced some ops to a third party in the worst possible way (I'm talking "oh you want to set up an alert for something related to your service? Send us an email and we'll look into it" and so on). All the pre-devops pain magnified by an order of magnitude. Sometimes devs would do their own ops (I know, big shock!), and they would call it "shadow devops". Nearly fell off my chair when I first heard it. Kinda glad I'm not with them anymore. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] defaultusername@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 1 year ago Short for devine permalink fedilink source parent
[–] wpb@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago At my previous job, we had a "Devops" team. We even outsourced some ops to a third party in the worst possible way (I'm talking "oh you want to set up an alert for something related to your service? Send us an email and we'll look into it" and so on). All the pre-devops pain magnified by an order of magnitude. Sometimes devs would do their own ops (I know, big shock!), and they would call it "shadow devops". Nearly fell off my chair when I first heard it. Kinda glad I'm not with them anymore. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] PotatoesFall@discuss.tchncs.de 17 points 1 year ago (1 child) Most programmers are interacting with containers these days. The real question is why their build is taking so long. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply)
[–] mogoh@lemmy.ml [S] 13 points 1 year ago (1 child) Guess I must turn in my programmer-badge. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] GammaGames@beehaw.org 7 points 1 year ago Apparently doing more than one thing makes you not a programmer 😔 permalink fedilink source parent
[–] GammaGames@beehaw.org 7 points 1 year ago Apparently doing more than one thing makes you not a programmer 😔 permalink fedilink source parent
[–] qisope@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago (1 child) what if I'm doing my programming inside a devcontainer? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] bizdelnick@lemmy.ml 1 point 1 year ago How often do you rebuild the image? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] bizdelnick@lemmy.ml 1 point 1 year ago How often do you rebuild the image? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] beeng@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 1 year ago* (1 child) Devops isn't a role. Platform Engineer maybe, but even then I'd say they were "developing" the platform. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] bizdelnick@lemmy.ml 1 point 1 year ago Devops engineer is a role. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] bizdelnick@lemmy.ml 1 point 1 year ago Devops engineer is a role. permalink fedilink source parent