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[–] Soup@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago (3 children)

Oh shut up. The Palestinians aren’t doing attacks for fun and they don’t have the backing for some kind of proper warfare with the Israelis to get them off their land. It’s not a mattee of opinion; they were their first and people from other countries without the right to do so told the people who would become the Israelis of today that it was totally cool for them to show up there. There was literally video of some guy from the fucking Bronx taking part in stealing a Palestinian family’s home, it’s fucking crazy what’s happening there.

It’d be like if I sent a bunch of people with guns to your house because I promised someone else you don’t even know that they could have it. And then, if you did anything in protest I beat the shit out you and shot your dog.

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[–] CannonFodder@lemmy.world -4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Yes, it's like that and it's horrible. It's like Europeans taking over North America. It's like countless other wars of conquest. In the end, Israel isn't going anywhere; surely you know that? We can try to pressure them to take care of the (most recent) indigenous population, but if you say they can't protect themselves or secure their population's safety, they will necessarily ignore you. Pick your battles.

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[–] Soup@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (1 child)

Their safety? Literally it’s just rocket after rocket after rocket from them. They’re complaining about safety while they commit countless acts of genocide against the people that were already there. They’re literally and openly trying to exterminate every single Palestinian in Gaza and they’re doing it with terrifying ease and no substantial pushback.

Good fucking god, I hope that every single time someone hurts you you just let it happen, and even defend their right to do it. I hope you never stand up for yourself, and no one else ever stands up for you. I hope you are pummelled into submission while everyone watches and does nothing to help you except for occasionally throwing a bandaid at you, and maybe even a few say that you were asking for it when you get your own blood on your attacker’s clothes even though that happened after they hit you(and is stupid). And I hope, at the end of all that, you get a fucking clue. God, you are a piece of shit.

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[–] CannonFodder@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

Yes, their safety.
Hamas, and other groups were (and still are to a lesser extent) firing rockets at Israel. Israel has a right to not want to live under that danger. Before the Oct attacks, they were actually slowly increasing freedoms and self control in Gaza. Sure, now they've gone nutto in revenge, or blind destruction of any and all militant capacity in Gaza with zero care about civilians. I don't support that! But you still need to look at the perspective of all sides - Israel doesn't want to be in danger from rocket attacks any more. They believe it's been shown that any peace process doesn't work. So they're going the other way since Hamas refuses to surrender. As well as being unconscionable, I don't think it will lead to long term peace. I condemn Israel's current policies. But I also condemn Hamas and the like that keep this going and attempting to kill Israelis - whether or not you think their vengeance is justified, it only leads to more deaths - and solidifies Israel's path of destruction.

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