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we must maintain the status quo (lemmy.dbzer0.com)
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To anyone who supports capitalism or otherwise opposes socialism:

Do you support the idea that one man can accumulate enough wealth to own all land of this Earth, making everyone born in his empire under his rule as long as he can kill to defend it? What prevents capitalism from accomplishing this in law? What law exists that limits the borders of nations?

Why, then, must we endure a system where a single man owning the Earth and enslave it is a feature, not a bug?

https://dice.camp/@sean/114698774200264413

I just wanna know what people think. Why must this be maintained? Why is any opposition to capping wealth just the end of the world when it probably would save it, just logically thinking it through?

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[–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

Sure, tough guy, because caliber matters.

There have always been people who are willing to use violence (or the real theat of violence) to collect resources and power. Always. Many of those people throughout history have wielded huge amounts of power over large numbers of people, because most people reject violence. And once violent people have extended their power enough, they don't have to do the violence anymore, because the threat is so deeply ingrained.

So, if someone held a gun to your head and told you to shut the fuck up, you would shut the fuck up, either because you ceded control to the violent person, or because you were dead. Any other result means that it was an empty threat. Violence, or the real threat of violence works. It always works, and the only way to defeat it is greater violence turned on that aggressor.

This is why the people "in charge" are usually horrible, awful, exploitative people. Because being horrible, awful, and exploitative is necessary to concentrate power. The United States is a propsperous nation because Europeans showed up and stole most of a continent from the dwindling number of people who already lived there, after having been mostly killed off by disease, much of the rest being finished off by - wait for it - state-sponsored violence.

Right or wrong, the people who are willing to use violence as a means to their ends succeed.

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    calibur matters

    Yeah, surviving would suck. A really small bullet is survivable, maybe, if it hits the bone. Which it would, because head. Brain injuries suck.

    have wielded, always

    Nope. Read a book to find out why! Davids Graeber&Wengrow, anthropologist and archaeologist respectively, had a good one on early humanity 'the dawn of everything: a new history of humanity', but they're not the only ones. Base your arguments on facts, not 'i just assume' bullshit people extrapolated with zero evidence, based on what seemed sensible to them with their experience of only ever living in authoritarianism, then let drift into 'common sense'.

    if they told you, you would

    Yeah, again, i have been in that situation. Both sides, I'm ashamed to say. You have not. You're trying to logic your way through just-so stories, and humans are way messier than that. In my case, i was pretty actively suicidal at the time. Broke the script. The asshole didn't know what to do, gave me a wedge to talk. Maybe it would go differently with who i am today. Maybe it wouldn't.

    Maybe, if i don't see a way out of the situation, i just go down talking shit, you know?

    violence works

    No. Fear works. Violence is staggeringly inefficient to actually apply. It's messy and expensive and hard and rarely gets you what you want. My stepdad's wife used to hit me to get me to do chores, used to try and physically move my hands, and it was so much harder than just doing shit herself. Plus she earned my hate, and i undid it all the moment she looked away. Even if she had killed me, she would've had a rotting corpse on her hands. If she had needed me to grow her food or something, bitch would've been so fucked.

    always works

    You write like you've never been exposed to actual violence. Only to the threat of it. Your experience of oppression exists in your head. It has been inflated and strengthened by your ego, by your interests, by your long held habit. You have surrendered your future in panic again and again and again.

    You have forged your chains.

    But they are your chains. Not mine. Not anyone else's. So you can fuck right off with those.

    (Unless you're asking for help out)

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