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Don't worry, it's definitely not genocide, China is just being a little 'authoritarian' towards the Uyghurs (lemmy.world)
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[–] 0 points 1 year ago (8 children)

people who are not in camps would not dare speak about their true feelings.

Bro it's not 1984, people might not talk about politics online, but they absolutely will describe whatever bullshit they're dealing with in person.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (7 children)

    Wouldn't it be the other way around? With the right tools online to stay anonymous, they could talk about what they feel. If asked in person, they would not open be so open because they could be talking to a secret police and be sent to one of the camps.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    Getting sent to a secret camp because your neighbor is an undercover cop secretly monitoring you for wrongthink is wildly outside of anybody on earth's experience, except North Korea, allegedly.

    Sending a message on wechat and having it not arrive or having your internet cut off for 10 seconds during a live chat because your toddler walked into frame is.

    There was one chinese traveler on vacation I met in Hanoi who said some out-of-pocket shit about Hitler saving Germany. I mentioned it to some other chinese folks and they were as baffled as I was, but didn't think it was productive to confront him. I got the sense that randos with insane views are common enough they don't have the energy to try to correct them.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago* (5 children)

    undercover cop secretly monitoring you for wrongthink is wildly outside of anybody on earth's experience, except North Korea, allegedly.

    Except Russia, China, Iran, Cuba, and increasingly the US and El Salvador, allegedly.

    There was one chinese traveler on vacation I met in Hanoi who said some out-of-pocket shit about Hitler saving Germany. I mentioned it to some other chinese folks and they were as baffled as I was, but didn't think it was productive to confront him.

    Anyone can say anything about Hitler because the Nazi party don't exist anymore and was enemy of everyone except the fascists. Have you and others tried to criticise the CCP, though?

    Nice try with another attempt at another red herring. That's cute. Got any more strange attempt to derail the argument?

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago* (4 children)

    China, Iran, Cuba

    I could believe Russia, but the people who've been to Cuba I've met show its absolutely false. The Iranians and people who've traveled to Iran I've met suggest there are religious police that do suck, but it technically being punishable doesn't stop them from criticizing those cops to foreigners.

    Have you and others tried to criticise the CCP, though

    Yes, like all the time, you just have to ask about a specific policy someone has feelings on.

    red herring

    I'm trying to give a more general description of criticism and dissent within China.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    You could believe Russia? Mate, they have been arresting those criticise the war in Ukraine and Putin. In Cuba and China, they could say anything about corrupt individuals as long as they avoid criticising the overall party polices and leaders themselves. Iranians could criticise cops and politicians sure, but not the ayatollahs and the restrictive sharia law. Could people in Iran, China and Iran even vote for anyone not vetted by the ruling parties?

    Again, I have to applaud your attempt to downplay the severity of these authoritarian regimes. Cleverest PR spin I have seen in a while. 5 cents straight to your bank account. Your level of English is showing.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (2 children)

    I could believe [that's true] of Russia.

    Your level of English is showing.

    A native english speaker would have understood what I was saying. Either you have the reading comprehension of an 8 year old or you're choosing to misunderstand.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)

    Saying "could" implies having some doubt and hesitation. Someone with a good proficiency of English would know that. If you definitely believe what I said about Russia, you would have said "would". It's very telling you are one of the usual suspects given your apologia for authoritarianism. You must be using Yandex, Weibo translation or whatever translator which explains the poor grammar. It also explains why you gave a link about vaccines complaints, as poor attempt to conflate it with Uyghur complaints, but it does not even support what you said because you can't understand reading the webpage.

    Nice try but I do find CCP PR folks to be extremely bad with propaganda. The Russians are better at it.

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