you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
[–] [S] 88 points 1 year ago (48 children)

Side note. We need to do something, now. Only problem is, I don't know what

  • source
  • hideshow 48 child comments
  • [–] 37 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Go to the Android developer verification site and fill out the Google Form in the bottom of the page on the right under Share your feedback.

    Give any employees inside google that agree with you the materials they need to show management it's unpopular even with developers, (even if you aren't actually one) and give Google's shareholders concern that this isn't just media speculation, it's real people with real concerns.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 1 child comment
  • [–] 75 points 1 year ago (16 children)

    It's the year of the linux phone

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 16 child comments
  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    wonder if my phone carrier would be ok if i show up with a phone with a new OS they haven't heard about

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 7 child comments
  • [–] 36 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    They should not care as long as it has a compatible SIM/modem combo.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 2 child comments
  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

    They don’t care. Their job is solely to provide you with access to their cellular network. As long as you keep that tied to one device (and don’t phone clone, meaning share that access with multiple devices), they don’t care.

    If you’re leasing your phone from them, then I guess they’d care but really only when they get the phone back. It would be best to put everything back to stock when that time comes. Of course this means you’ll want to take care to install only what you’re comfortable with and what you know works and won’t permanently damage the phone.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 2 child comments
  • [–] [S] 4 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Jumping ship isn't really "doing something"

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 3 child comments
  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (3 children)
  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (2 children)
  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    Gservices you can simply remove via Adb, and MicroG has a magisk module

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 1 child comment
  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    I've successfully debloated two googled ROMs before, once in stock and the other on a custom ROM with GApps prebuilt, and while you can debloat major parts like Google play and Google services, minor parts cause annoying crashes and functionality loss if you debloated it to get a full degoogled ROM, at that point , using a Vanilla ROM is better

  • source
  • parent
  • [–] 24 points 1 year ago* (5 children)

    The answer is likely a de-googled phone. We have some aftermarket variants of Android available. Though installing a new operating system on a phone isn't very mainstream. And skipping the Play services comes with consequences. Push notifications sometimes won't work, some apps outright refuse to work, and things like contactless payment are impossible. I've lived without Play services for a few years. Now I have them sandboxed in GrapheneOS. I wonder what they're going to do to address this.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 5 child comments
  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Even with Play Services enabled on GrapheneOS through Sandboxed Google Play, this wouldn't affect it, as this would be a system-level change that only affects stock Android and OEM-modified variants of Android that are "Certified Android"

    GrapheneOS would not have to put much, if any effort into blocking this.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 2 child comments
  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Does contactless pay work in the sandbox? What about ticket apps like mlb ballpark?

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 1 child comment
  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago*

    I'm pretty sure Google locks us out and Google Pay is impossible, despite the operating system being more secure, having hardware attestation and not even being rooted.

    Ticket and banking apps sometimes work, sometimes they don't. They're doing their best and a lot of things are fine. There's a community maintained list for banking apps here: https://privsec.dev/posts/android/banking-applications-compatibility-with-grapheneos/

  • source
  • parent
  • [–] 41 points 1 year ago

    The solution is what it has always been.

    Since DAY ONE phone hardware should have been as standardized and open as normal PC hardware - able to run any operating system that you want.

    But every time it got brought up for DECADES, techbro corporate apologists were ready to line up and talk about all the reasons that wouldn't work and how companies would NEVER do that, as if that was some kind of sensible counterpoint.

    Now the noose is closing and all it's going to take is the combined forces of the richest companies in the world to crush what little competition remains. Undercut or sue Fairphone into oblivion, for example. The lawsuits don't even have to have merit - they can eat the costs for a few quarters to ensure no viable alternative to the walled garden ever gets a foothold.

    The thing to be done now is minimize your mobile usage altogether and try to make it to the tech dystopian endgame with a few local files of your own left.

  • source
  • parent
  • [–] 18 points 1 year ago

    Honestly, given the ID requirements this feels like more efforts to track everything everyone does. It means any app with sufficient user base is trackable back to a real person. A real person they can arrest, bully or otherwise deal with if they don't like what they've built.

  • source
  • parent
  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago

    If you are an EU citizen then you need report this to the consumer protection services.

    Here are some links I have found. There might be better ways to contact them but this is what I got for now. Feel free to correct me or add more ways to make our voices heard.

    https://commission.europa.eu/

    https://europa.eu/youreurope/business/selling-in-eu/competition-between-businesses/anti-competitive-behaviour/

    If you are unsure about the problem, you can contact the European Commission at: comp-market-information@ec.europa.eu or write to:

    European Commission, Directorate General for Competition Antitrust Registry B-1049 Brussels, Belgium

  • source
  • parent
  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    We need reboot of N900. Although it lost support long time ago as it was launched in 2009, you can still install latest PostmarketOS onto it: https://postmarketos.org/install/

    A commercial Linux phone with backing from some larger company could succeed.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 1 child comment
  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    I picked one of these up around 2015 and used it as my main phone for ~2 years. It's a cool phone and I had a great time messing around with it.

    Unfortunately the hardware is just into up to modern requirements - old modem means bad signal, old WiFi standard, really low RAM, very slow processor. The browser was barely usable even with an adblocker.

    Sadly the Neo900 never got off the ground.

  • source
  • parent
  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (10 children)

    LineageOS? Aosp is still under Google control, so maybe not.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 10 child comments
  • [–] 19 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I think the problem is that this is one part of the puzzle. Samsung are doing the other half. Locked bootloader. I fully expect the bigger manufacturers to go with both for a "fully trusted platform". That's how they will sell it at least.

    The only question is, who will be making the unlocked phones and how much will they cost us?

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 1 child comment
  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago

    The only question is, who will be making the unlocked phones and how much will they cost us?

    Fairphone probably. To my knowledge Fairphone 6 can be unlocked and for the less technical, who want to degoogle, they also sell Fairphone 6 with /e/os installed. You won't get a competitive price for the hardware but rather a fair price for the hardware and under capitalism fair isn't competitive because the competition regularly resorts to exploitation of third world resources and cheap labor.

  • source
  • parent
  • [–] [S] 1 point 1 year ago (7 children)

    My man I hate to say this but pretty sure lineage kicked the bucket last year, at least that what was happening when I had to change phones last year and Got the community notification

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 7 child comments
  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Latest Github commits are within the past hour... Why do you think that it's dead?

    https://github.com/LineageOS

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 5 child comments
  • [–] [S] 2 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Because there was a heartfelt goodbye and everything in the matrix server for it, last I was aware, yeah, they were saying it was dead. Good thing it's back though

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 3 child comments
  • [–] -2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Matrix exists to contain people whose schizo power level was too high for discord and it has no other function. You can safely ignore 100% of all activity on matrix servers and that percentage is not an exaggeration.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 2 child comments
  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

    Fork Android?

    For years Android people were yapping about how it’s open source, open platform and the competitors are not. So why not just fork it and keep on? Isn’t that the strongest point of being open source?

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 4 child comments
  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    There's already a bunch of forks, GrapheneOS and LineageOS being two of the most popular.

    Trouble is, this affects the app ecosystem. The overwhelming majority of applications are only available through the Play Store. Sure, there are alternatives like F-Droid, but your bank isn't offering its app through F-Droid.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 3 child comments
  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Theres a high likelyhood your bank still allows access through a web browser. I think a lot of people forget that browser shortcuts that you can add to your home are a thing that makes a lot of apps partially if not fully redundant.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 2 child comments
  • load more comments (1 reply)