such a funny time for this discourse again ☕

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[–] 112 points 1 year ago (14 children)

Yes, Karl Marx wrote:

"Under no pretext should arms and ammunition be surrendered; any attempt to disarm the workers must be frustrated, by force if necessary."

"To be able forcefully and threateningly to oppose this party [bourgeois], the workers must be armed and organized."

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  • [–] 18 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    This is going over a lot better than when I said it, in progressivepolitics@lemmy.world no less. What a difference a month makes these days, I suppose.

    https://sh.itjust.works/comment/19935457

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    You have 16 upvotes there though.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    There are 12 downvotes that I guess your instance/client doesn’t show, making it a 2:1 up/down ratio. Sure it’s not downvote oblivion, but much less favorable than here, as I said, in the “progressive” politics community, to boot. I also know at least a few people upped it when I posted the above comment.

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  • [–] 47 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    Followed shortly after by:

    The former Soviet Union established gun control in 1929 and as a result, Stalin’s government killed 40 million Soviets. This is a clear example of how gun control can be used to oppress a population and take away their right to self-defense.

    https://www.dictatorbaron.com/did-joseph-stalin-ban-guns/

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  • [–] -5 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    You think Stalin wouldn't have killed all these people if they had guns?

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  • [–] -3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Sage advice... for the 1850s.

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  • [–] -5 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Just because an idea is old doesn't make it valid either.

    See for example:

    As for your male and female slaves whom you may have: you may buy male and female slaves from among the nations that are around you. You may also buy from among the strangers who sojourn with you and their clans that are with you, who have been born in your land, and they may be your property. You may bequeath them to your sons after you to inherit as a possession forever. You may make slaves of them, but over your brothers the people of Israel you shall not rule, one over another ruthlessly.

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