glimse comments on The Dem/Rep Platform Switch is finally nearing Completion

Can we please not start advocating for the lesser of two evils before the primaries even happen? There is still time to get someone who isn't actually evil the nomination FFS! If it comes down to him or Vance I will reluctantly vote for him- we are not there yet.

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[–] al_Kaholic@lemmynsfw.com 4 points 1 year ago (1 child)

Just because you can't see the writing on the wall doesn't mean it's not there. Maybe their won't be an election? The big old orange trump needs to flush to where he has earned.

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[–] Wolf@lemmy.today 4 points 1 year ago

I also think Trump will try to block/dodge further elections. What does that have to do with Newsom or JD Vance?

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[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 10 points 1 year ago (1 child)

I mean, there are non-fascist neoliberals out there, but this shit is just fascism. If it can happen to the homeless, it can happen to anyone.

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[–] Wolf@lemmy.today 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

That's just liberal bullshit, not fascism.

There are plenty of NIMBY democrats as evidence by all the Dems who are treating Newsom as the second coming of Christ and the presumptive 2028 nominee, despite his disgusting practices Vis-à-vis the homeless.

Fascism is a Far Right, Authortarian, and Ultranationalist ideology that combines a militaristic autocracy, forcible suppression of dissent, and a racist social order. By using the term as if it means 'things we hate', then it waters down the actual definition and gives MAGAts who constantly try to turn the word around on us ammunition.

Call it gross, call it late stage capitalism, call it vile, disgusting, cruel, short sighted. Call it sweeping the problem under the rug, call out liberals for supporting it. All of those things are true. It's not fascism though.

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[–] stoicmaverick@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago (14 children)

Ya. Honestly, I'm getting pretty close to being done with Lemmy at this point. The way to fight extremism is not with different extremism. Between the hyper purity test Leftists, and the AI=evil absolutists, it feels like there's never any room for constructive discussion anymore. If I even ask a clarifying question about someone's views, even one that I could potentially be swayed towards, the response always comes back as some variation of "You're one of them aren't you!"

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[–] lmmarsano@lemmynsfw.com 7 points 1 year ago*

hyper purity test Leftists, and the AI=evil absolutists

IMPURE LEFTISTS BAD, AI BAD

UPVOTES NOW OR YOU'RE ONE OF THEM

ain't rigid, overzealous thinking great?

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[–] Lyrl@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 year ago*

I like Tildes for more nuanced conversations. It has the reply box all the way at the bottom of threads, which is a subtle discouragement of replying before reading the existing comments. It's also just smaller and slower paced. It's not immune to pile-on bubble-views, but it's significantly toned down.

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[–] theuniqueone@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 1 year ago (11 children)

There is no such thing as "leftist extremism" especially in the united states. It's also not "purity testing" to want to not kill homeless and trans people.

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[–] sartalon@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (3 children)

You proved his point, arguing against his point.

That's some real lack of self awareness.

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[–] explodicle@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 year ago

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bulverism

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[–] theuniqueone@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 1 year ago (1 child)

What point of his did I "prove"?

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[–] NeilBru@lemmy.world -5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

That your vapid contrarianism in willful ignorance of the commenter's thesis is yet another example of the self-righteous, performative and banal virtue signalling infecting communications in this age at every level, in every medium, from every side.

It's feeding the philosophical and metaphysical simulacra created by techno-feudalists that provide the foundation to rule with impunity.

If "perfect is the enemy of good", the billionaires want the slaves performing purity tests of all varieties to distract from a common goal.

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[–] Velypso@sh.itjust.works -1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (6 children)

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[–] theuniqueone@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Or yes Newsom's widespread destruction of homeless camps surely has no consequences on that community and his support of transphobic rhetoric surely doesn't contribute to massive trans suicide and murder rates how could I think otherwise? /S

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[+] Velypso@sh.itjust.works -6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

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[–] theuniqueone@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 1 year ago (3 children)

No here's evidence

https://calmatters.org/housing/homelessness/2024/02/homeless-mortality-report/

https://sfstandard.com/2024/03/03/homeless-people-dying/

https://homelessstrategy.com/dying-while-homeless-is-a-burgeoning-crisis-in-california-that-necessitates-systemic-changes/amp/

https://williamsinstitute.law.ucla.edu/press/transpop-suicide-press-release/

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC11244576/

I could post thousands about high rates of homeless deaths in California are and how Newsom's policies make that worse and how high trans suicide rates are and how that is cause largely by transphobia and how newsom contributes to that.

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[–] Cruxifux@feddit.nl 9 points 1 year ago

Thank you for doing this legwork for me. I was too hung over this morning to deal with liberal fascist enabling stupidity myself.

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[–] Lyrl@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 1 year ago

The first two links are different outlets reporting on the exact same study, which talks about a nationwide increase in death rates, not just California, and both have this quote from the study author early in the article:

Some of the increase in the mortality rate may be attributable to county death records keeping better track of who is homeless, Fowle said. Other than that, he and his team aren’t sure what else is behind the rising death rates — more research is needed, he said.

The third link is entirely about efforts to have better reporting, in order to figure out what policies might help. It has no policy recommendations or criticisms of current policy.

The fourth and fifth links are about suicide rates among transgender people nationally, not specific to California.

I am not tracking how any of these reflect on specific policies advocated for by Newsom.

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[–] Velypso@sh.itjust.works -3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

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[–] Cruxifux@feddit.nl 3 points 1 year ago (1 child)

I’m not diluting the word, I’m using the classical definition of it.

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[–] Wolf@lemmy.today -2 points 1 year ago

What do you think the classical definition is?

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[–] MagicianWithABadPlan@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (10 children)

Newsom isn't great but he's leagues ahead of the small fingered vulgarian. I'm not going to let the perfect be the enemy of the good. He's going to get my vote if he runs.

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[–] Cruxifux@feddit.nl 12 points 1 year ago (2 children)

“He’s not perfect” is such a weird way to describe someone whose policies are literally killing people just in his home state. Where and when are we going to draw the line on this shit?

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[–] MagicianWithABadPlan@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago (1 child)

What? Do something else so that a petty despot like the small fingered vulgarian can win again? Seriously.

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[–] Cruxifux@feddit.nl 2 points 1 year ago

Remember when Biden got in and it stopped fascism?

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[–] Wolf@lemmy.today 5 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Are you a liberal?

If not, why wouldn't you throw your support behind a leftists or progressive candidate at least until the primaries are over? I am 100% for not letting perfect be the enemy of the good, but I am also against letting mediocrity be the enemy of the good.

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[–] MagicianWithABadPlan@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago (2 children)

Because the next step is more important that the perfect step. Sander's and people like him can't win right now. I want to support progress and sometimes that means smaller steps.

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[–] piefood@feddit.online 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Mamdani wins
AOC wins
Sawant wins
Walton wins
Sanders has to have a primary rigged to keep him from winning
Sanders polls better in Red states that Trump and Hillary

Sander's and people like him can't win right now

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[–] Wolf@lemmy.today 1 point 1 year ago

So, If I am understanding your correctly, you think that if the left rallies behind a progressive/leftists candidate that they might be able to win the primary- but not the general election?

If that is not what you are saying then I don't understand your reply.

I'm not trying to flame you, I am seriously interested in your point of view.

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[–] ghen@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Unless someone better takes the place first. If newsom's all we get then that's what I'll vote for because of how our voting system works, but I have faith that a good quality primary will bring a better candidate to the limelight

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[–] Velypso@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

Spoiler alert: it will not.

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[–] ghen@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 year ago

Let me have my positivity while it doesn't count.

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