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Talking to liberals (lemmy.ml)
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[–] [S] 14 points 1 year ago (6 children)

Not only are you creating a false dichotomy here, but you're ignoring the fact that Trump coming to power is itself is a direct product of decades of liberal policies.

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  • [+] -6 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    It's not though. He came to power through a strong propaganda network, he is actually just continuing liberal policies.

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  • [–] [S] 10 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    The question you need to ask yourself is what made his message resonate with people now when this sort of rhetoric was ignored before. People are falling out of the liberal mainstream because they see their material conditions decline, this makes them lose faith in the system and mainstream media. This is what creates room for opportunists like Trump to come in and promise change like draining the swamp, and so on. Obviously, he is continuing the same policies that benefit the ruling class, but the same people who were fooled by the liberal message for decades prior, are now fooled by his promises.

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  • [–] -5 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Because NYC has proof the DNC is not far enough left to achieve their goals. Everywhere else the DNC can be used as a leftist Boogeyman.

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  • [–] [S] 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    The dem party as a whole is fundamentally a right wing party. The NYC is proof that there is demand for left wing policies in the US, but they cannot be implemented sustainably within the capitalist system.

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Right, but it's currently the only system in use anywhere. It is truly a despicable way of life that will likely cause the end of this planet but I am 99% sure that allowing it to be completely controlled by billionaire tech edge lords and racist incels is not a better outcome than Kamala. This isn't about being the entire game plan and effort but allowing the further right party gain control by not voting just doesn't make any sense to me. Every single president of my lifetime has sucked but the damage done by Bush with Homeland Security shit and what Trump is doing with ICE is honestly detrimental enough that ignoring it is fucking weird to me. Again, I do not like the DNC but I understand the dystopian nature of the country I live in and the true hopelessness of third party votes. The DNC will never get a penny from me unless hell freezes over and they run actual leftists, but they will get my vote because I can't picture a single scenario where anyone's life is improved when Republicans are in control.

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  • [–] [S] 3 points 1 year ago

    Uh no, other systems very much do exist. Go look at China or Vietnam as two obvious counter examples. The reality is that the US will continue on the exact same trajectory regardless of which oligarch owned party is in charge. The US is a dictatorship of capital. Until people start organizing outside voting and create an actual labour movement, nothing will fundamentally change.

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