▲ 126 ▼ I propose a secondary meaning for RTFM, Read The Fucking Marx (lemmy.ml) submitted 1 year ago by bubblybubbles@lemmy.ml to c/memes@lemmy.ml 25 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] SpookyBogMonster@lemmy.ml 11 points 1 year ago (4 children) Yep, just a bunch of guys in their 20s... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] mstrk@lemmy.world -6 points 1 year ago (3 children) I think OP is trying to say that he also believed in Marxist ideology when he was twenty years old, but since then he has grown up. I’ve never been a fan of Marxist ideology, although I like it on paper, but we can’t exclude the human factor. It’s far more dangerous to centralize power in the state than in individuals (as in capitalism, where companies are ultimately bound to individuals), and history has proven just that. That said, I’m not trying to start an argument with you guys here at .ml, because I think we’d just end up going in circles. I just wanted to get this off my chest. I hope you guys can find a country with a Mao or Lenin in power… or you could just move to Cuba, which hasn’t changed since Castro’s rule. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 year ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mstrk@lemmy.world -2 points 1 year ago (1 child) I'm only going to address [3], which requires some explanation of why I made my last statement. It was a direct response to the pictures shared in the comment I replied to, and I’m well aware that none of those leaders ever passed the proletariat phase. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] mstrk@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago If I understood correctly from my reading of The Communist Manifesto, the proletariat or dictatorship of the proletariat is the transitional stage before true communism takes place. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) [–] SpookyBogMonster@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago I understand what OP is saying, but I'm pointing out that it's silly to take a philosophically rich, globe spanning, radical tradition and throw it aside as "a thing stupid children believe", and use that as a thought terminating cliche to not engage with the tradition as it exists in the real world. You don't have to ascribe to Marxism. I happen to, but I would have posted the same bit if OP was ragging on Anarchism like that as well. Side note, Cuba has changed quite a lot since Castro. I would encourage you to read up on the rewriting of the Cuban constitution, and the implementation of the new Family Code, both of which happened a few years ago, and are at the very least, interesting. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies)
[+] mstrk@lemmy.world -6 points 1 year ago (3 children) I think OP is trying to say that he also believed in Marxist ideology when he was twenty years old, but since then he has grown up. I’ve never been a fan of Marxist ideology, although I like it on paper, but we can’t exclude the human factor. It’s far more dangerous to centralize power in the state than in individuals (as in capitalism, where companies are ultimately bound to individuals), and history has proven just that. That said, I’m not trying to start an argument with you guys here at .ml, because I think we’d just end up going in circles. I just wanted to get this off my chest. I hope you guys can find a country with a Mao or Lenin in power… or you could just move to Cuba, which hasn’t changed since Castro’s rule. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 year ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mstrk@lemmy.world -2 points 1 year ago (1 child) I'm only going to address [3], which requires some explanation of why I made my last statement. It was a direct response to the pictures shared in the comment I replied to, and I’m well aware that none of those leaders ever passed the proletariat phase. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] mstrk@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago If I understood correctly from my reading of The Communist Manifesto, the proletariat or dictatorship of the proletariat is the transitional stage before true communism takes place. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) [–] SpookyBogMonster@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago I understand what OP is saying, but I'm pointing out that it's silly to take a philosophically rich, globe spanning, radical tradition and throw it aside as "a thing stupid children believe", and use that as a thought terminating cliche to not engage with the tradition as it exists in the real world. You don't have to ascribe to Marxism. I happen to, but I would have posted the same bit if OP was ragging on Anarchism like that as well. Side note, Cuba has changed quite a lot since Castro. I would encourage you to read up on the rewriting of the Cuban constitution, and the implementation of the new Family Code, both of which happened a few years ago, and are at the very least, interesting. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies)
[+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 year ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mstrk@lemmy.world -2 points 1 year ago (1 child) I'm only going to address [3], which requires some explanation of why I made my last statement. It was a direct response to the pictures shared in the comment I replied to, and I’m well aware that none of those leaders ever passed the proletariat phase. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] mstrk@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago If I understood correctly from my reading of The Communist Manifesto, the proletariat or dictatorship of the proletariat is the transitional stage before true communism takes place. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies)
[–] mstrk@lemmy.world -2 points 1 year ago (1 child) I'm only going to address [3], which requires some explanation of why I made my last statement. It was a direct response to the pictures shared in the comment I replied to, and I’m well aware that none of those leaders ever passed the proletariat phase. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] mstrk@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago If I understood correctly from my reading of The Communist Manifesto, the proletariat or dictatorship of the proletariat is the transitional stage before true communism takes place. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies)
[+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] mstrk@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago If I understood correctly from my reading of The Communist Manifesto, the proletariat or dictatorship of the proletariat is the transitional stage before true communism takes place. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] mstrk@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago If I understood correctly from my reading of The Communist Manifesto, the proletariat or dictatorship of the proletariat is the transitional stage before true communism takes place. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SpookyBogMonster@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago I understand what OP is saying, but I'm pointing out that it's silly to take a philosophically rich, globe spanning, radical tradition and throw it aside as "a thing stupid children believe", and use that as a thought terminating cliche to not engage with the tradition as it exists in the real world. You don't have to ascribe to Marxism. I happen to, but I would have posted the same bit if OP was ragging on Anarchism like that as well. Side note, Cuba has changed quite a lot since Castro. I would encourage you to read up on the rewriting of the Cuban constitution, and the implementation of the new Family Code, both of which happened a few years ago, and are at the very least, interesting. permalink fedilink source parent