I'm mostly curious what youngsters call a vegan who doesn't use animal products at all, not just foodstuff, now that they've decided that vegan means vegetarian and vegetarian means ovo-lacto-vegetarian.

Absolutely, yes. Especially once I began studying black anarchism. There is no halfway point in regards to the commodity fetishism of life and flesh. The only difference between chattel sleepy and livestock is that one is better equipped to fight back – for the time being.

There is nothing worth saving of this system.

Anna and Hendrik are two brave animal rights activists from Berlin. As some of you may remember, they installed hidden cameras inside the gas chambers of Brand Qualitätsfleisch — a slaughterhouse that markets itself as a producer of “high-welfare” meat.

What they captured was the first footage of its kind ever recorded in Germany: pigs fighting for their lives as CO₂ flooded the chamber. Struggling to breathe. Panicking. Bloodying their heads against the walls. Screaming.

This is not an accident or an aberration. CO₂ stunning triggers an immediate, severe burning sensation in the mucous membranes of the nose, throat, and eyes. The animals experience intense pain, acute suffocation, and terror — for up to a minute before losing consciousness. This is the standard method used to kill pigs across Germany and much of the world. Hundreds of millions of animals per year, in chambers just like this one.

The slaughterhouse sued. And it won.

A German appellate court has ruled that Anna and Hendrik must pay a sum likely in the region of €100,000 to the company, although the exact amount still has to be determined in a separate proceeding. The claimed damages stem from their entry into the slaughterhouse, the secret filming, and the publication of the footage.

it really really feels like cruelty is actively the whole point of many things these days, like businesses are going out of their way to ensure that the most cruel way remains the most profitable so they have an excuse.

we have ways of at least somewhat humanely killing animals, but nope, war crimes!

The crime is exposing mass murder not the mass murder itself. Shows the worth of "the law" and its purpose.

Germany x gas chamber collab was not on my bingo card this year.

Ah, Germans and hiding evidence of gas chambers. Name a more iconic duo, I’ll wait

Germany doing its best life

Arabic markets tend to be family-owned businesses which buy goods in small quantities at a price and then sell them for a similar price, as they rely on local Muslims being a loyal customer base. That's how they see it fit as a halal business, being of benefit to the Muslim community rather than seeking profit no matter what...

Great self fulfilling prophecy.

I see. How many times do I need to politely ask someone not to murder anyone before it works?

If the vegan's original argument before the advice had worked then there would not be a meat eater and they also would not be getting lectured on their communication skills.

If the meat eater's advice worked, they wouldn't be eating meat.

It's a bit ironic that this is a perfect example of a Vegan failing to convince a meat eater and refusing constructive advice, no?

People who eat animals often go into vegan spaces to shame vegans for trying to convince people not to murder "the wrong way"

This is confusing

Lmao

You can’t shame them! You have to tell them they are moral and good and all and that…. But dunno, they just don’t wanna? Who knows.

Beyond Meat Beyond Mince

I'm Australian. And the product was Beyond Meat's Beyond Mince.

just eat good food. These meat-like pastes are just highly processed shit.

Try a portabello burger made properly.

See also: humanist slave owners.

I just wish my tax dollars weren’t wasted subsidizing more wasteful meat production.

I thought red states believed in a free market?

I don't really care for the beyond meats but I really like impossible meat. I was really excited when these alternatives finally hit stores as a good alternative to get people to eat less animal meats. While it's unfortunate that grocery bills have gone up, I'm hoping as animal meat continues to get expensive, it drives more people to try alternatives and pushes the general populace to eat less animal based foods.

Reading these comment sections is always a fucking baffling experience: On one side there's people who projectile vomit at the thought of meat and act like this is the utterly universal experience, and on the other side there's people who don't eat potatoes because they're vegetables and who insist that all vegan meat substitutes decompose on exposure to the atmosphere.

I sincerely hope these are all just bots, because if you people actually live like this it's very sad.
In reality, vegan meat substitutes are very very very obviously perfectly fine aside from the fact that the title of this post is borderline a lie, i certainly don't see anything remotely like this on my store shelves where vegan meat generally costs 10-20% more than the equivalent pork or chicken product.

If vegan meats were actually clearly cheaper than animal protein all poor people would be flocking to it, but that certainly doesn't seem to have happened yet..

industry/factory processed meat is on average certainly less healthy than factory processed vegan altetnatives.