fuck me, really hope this doesn't turn out to involve the quokkau admins as well, I really don't want to switch again(though judging by the other responses I see here, I might just be fucked)

More retaliation from Zionists over defederating them.

What a waste of time that instance is

the two things can go together, and not removing said mod means that if they do not learn they can still do plenty enough damage elsewhere later on

and I say this out of the position of having fucked up in a mod role before

As I said elsewhere, I'd rather this be a learning moment, than a purging moment.

We're probably long overdue with an official meta post in our instance about this whole shitshow that we can link on the next time this disinfo is pushed.

oh no the goalposts! think of the theoretical shitheads who might do this in secret!

please see the pinned post and fuck off

perform away! please keep in mind that Lemmy and ActivityPub are communities, and the only proof of intent we have is through action. a change in policy might feel performative, but it gives me something I can boost as a positive example and a sign that things will be better going forward.

How could an admin possibly enforce that? What if a mod created a summary locally and never shared it with anyone? The ai summary wasn't used as evidence, that is already policy and has been explained to you multiple times. You are shifting the goal posts to the moon, and no policy change will ever satisfy you.

I don’t accept that the LLM summary didn’t influence the decision because the mod in question confirmed that he knew the LLM agreed with him (that’s bias, and also not something LLMs are capable of actually doing) and because if it didn’t, then the summary is worthless

In this case, according to the admin in question, the LLM summary came after the decision, as a sort of a test. I.e. the admin made a decision, and wanted to see if an LLM would subsequently agree with that decision. In this specific case, it did, which is why they misguidedly decided to keep its summary in the modlog (opening us up to this whole shitstorm), but ultimately, that admin anyway decided LLMs in the mix is not good at all, which is why you never again saw an LLM summary in the modlog.

I can only put so much fault for a person for just testing shit out, yanno? I am not happy that they decided to use the output of the test because they are not familiar with how quickly disinfo breeds, but ultimately they came to the right decision anyway. If they had not and they had raised the issue on using LLMs officially, they would have been shut down.

seriously this just looks more and more embarassing the more you post about it

you realize that mod probably shouldn't be one, right?

I think that would just be performative at this point, but I'll discuss with the team.

oh my god this post and the comments are a disaster. if lesswrong had sane moderation it'd have been nuked in seconds but of course they need to believe the most important thing they can do is use reason and talk through it. don't worry about all the private information we're leaking!

best bit

also loving the part where he seems to say people should focus on saving the world from the robot menace instead of calling out his behaviour

I’d rather make this a learning moment than a purging moment.

absolutely! please show me you’ve learned from this moment by taking a stance against the use of LLMs anywhere in the moderation process and making it part of your instance’s policies going forward.

did you know you can just use mk.i wetware eyeballs to read dipshits' posting histories? revelatory, I know!

and did you just roll into awful trying to pretend that it's a place that is favourable to nazis, genocidists, and other shitbags? or to imply that I am? seriously? because I'm pretty sure I've seen you post here before..

maybe you should stop making shit up in your head and acting like someone else said it

why are you going to bat for someone using unofficial tooling that proved to be extremely unpopular because it was used in a manner that looked like abuse to most observers and qualifies as abuse for instances like ours?

I am not defending them. Trust me I am plenty annoyed that I have to deal with the fallout and the constant disinfo it opened us up on. But at the end of the day, we're humans and people are new at moderating and new to social media, and don't always understand how visuals come across and how easy it is for people to pick up the pitchforks, and I'd rather make this a learning moment than a purging moment.

I will absolutely accept the shit that comes our way because people didn't think how their actions would look (again, this doesn't mean that LLM for moderation is good but being seen using is bad. The former is bad too.) But I don't like being blamed for bringing the frigging LLM apocalypse to the fediverse, you know what I mean?

it feels kind of rich to come here angry when other people are asking you to stop. maybe you can just take our word for it that we don’t want an LLM anywhere in the moderation process, even as a post summarizer? you don’t have to understand why if you don’t want to.

For the record: I'm not angry at people telling us to stop. I am angry because we never even started and I keep saying this and it feels like people are just not listening and keep repeating the same disinfo and I have to keep saying "People, this is not true, this is not at all what happened" again and again.

fuck off with this equivocating shit

piefed banned the user by, uhhhh, reading their posts like a fucking normal person

You realize there might not be a repo, right?

The admin took the decision to ban the user irrespective of the LLM, and the rest of our admin team and me specifically, would never let an admin become a “human in the loop”. The LLM was used just to summarize

you don’t appear to have much understanding of how a human in the loop system works in practice. LLM summaries are used to confirm biases, especially when the prompt is something along the lines of “do these posts contain ?” though these systems are stochastic so you’re going to get unpredictable biases regardless of the prompt.

I don’t accept that the LLM summary didn’t influence the decision because the mod in question confirmed that he knew the LLM agreed with him (that’s bias, and also not something LLMs are capable of actually doing) and because if it didn’t, then the summary is worthless

which is why maybe you should just not have them in the future? just don’t touch LLMs when you’re doing mod work. either there’s no reason for it or you’re doing something monstrously wrong.

forgive me for I have sinned:

cool! please make it clear to the mod in question that they shouldn’t be using an LLM for anything in the future, even summarizing posts. make it part of your instance’s policies.

assume I know and understand that the LLM did not literally do the banning

I am telling, again, that the human did not use the LLM to think for them either. The admin took the decision to ban the user irrespective of the LLM, and the rest of our admin team and me specifically, would never let an admin become a "human in the loop". The LLM was used just to summarize, as part of the test, with a misguided inside joke on using OpenAI tech.

I will readily admit that there was mistakes made by the admin. Not on their actions, but on their visuals. Because those visuals were spun to keep feeding this made-up controversy. We didn't use the LLM to decide or even guide our decision, but it appeared like we did, and we already owned that.

why are you going to bat for someone using unofficial tooling that proved to be extremely unpopular because it was used in a manner that looked like abuse to most observers and qualifies as abuse for instances like ours? it feels kind of rich to come here angry when other people are asking you to stop. maybe you can just take our word for it that we don’t want an LLM anywhere in the moderation process, even as a post summarizer? you don’t have to understand why if you don’t want to.

and yeah you absolutely can lie about this crap. it kind of makes it worse that you and your mod felt they didn’t have to. we really don’t want any of this normalized on any level.

then my take/read is that your team simply sucks at this

your posts across various threads about this for DAYS are all running interference, and you could simply have skipped past that by going "look, here's what ran, here's the logs"

and as I said in my other comment on the other branch: running around shouting like you are isn't a great look

Extremely unsound reasons, such as finding users years long history of vile genocide downplaying and denying comments and pro Zionism?

Even PieFed.social banned the user who the AI found this out about. So it was obviously useful for them as well.