[–] 2 points 11 months ago

Right? And how much performace hit will end users "feel" with all the layers? I'm hoping to get a frame and not really worried, but this has been on my mind.

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  • [–] [S] 3 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    Lol it is

    Why am I cross-posting .ml content?

    I cross-post from .ml to the nearest relevant non-.ml comm to reduce the influence of .ml comms and indirectly, the instance as a whole, to make it an easier decision for other instance admins to defederate because one key reason I identified that admins don't want to defederate is because .ml still has some very large comms and some niche comms.

    Megathread on the issue

    Some highlights from the link:

    "Don't worry guys, the Uyghur Genocide was REALLY just birth control! ~dessalines, .ml admin, dev https://lemmy.world/post/30580167

    "See! nobody died IN Tiananmen Square, just AROUND it, so it doesn't count!!" ~ Davel, .ml admin https://lemmy.world/post/30673342

    .ml admin, Nutomics continued transphobia https://lemmy.world/post/29222558 The original transphobic Comment from Nutomic: https://lemmy.world/post/18236068

    "NK is actually good and anything counter to that is Western propaganda!" ~dessalines, .ml admin, dev https://lemmy.world/post/31595035

    General negative sentiment to other instances who haven't "seen the way" yet ~davel, .ml admin https://lemmy.world/post/27426510

    "If you don't support Russia then you just don't understand geopolitics" ~dessalines, .ml admin, dev https://lemmy.world/post/27352415

    And so so much documentation on clear heavy handed censorship and bias also on the link. So much I can't even put them all here because this comment would be really long.

    I believe the behavior of its admins (the main admins are Lemmy devs) does harm to the overall growth of the Lemmy-verse and maybe even the Thrediverse (since Lemmy kinda kicked off the Thrediverse) because of its association with the devs of Lemmy and their insistence to use .ml as their personal political platform to spread harmful propaganda

    On the outside, bringing up Lemmy frequently leads to comments like "Lemmy? Isn't that the place with a bunch of tankies?" Or "Tried Lemmy, but found it full of pro Russia crap so I left". The best way forward from that I see is to either widely defederate from .ml like the rest of the Triad, or pressure them to put a fair and unbiased as possible admin team.

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  • [–] 4 points 11 months ago

    cant do much outside of forcing physical presence on a monitored enviroment with trusted hardware, even with consoles, what stops people from modding controllers and analyze the raw video feed from the hdmi? nothing really, it just more hassle, people will simply develop tools to make the hassle smaller

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago

    These games are such a small portion of the overall steam playerbase

    They are but they're also very popular, and people will avoid platforms where they're not supported.

    Why is this on Valve to fix?

    Because Valve is the one trying to sell people hardware that runs on Linux?

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago

    They are able detect kernel level cheating by looking for things like suspicious kernel drivers being loaded and are able to detect some forms of hardware level cheating, things like special pcie cards for DMA can be detected by kernel level anticheat, more sophisticated hardware level cheats cant be detected by kernel level anticheat. to be clear this does not mean that there is 0 risk of malicious intent and behavior done with the kernel level anticheat, and also the security implications of extra code inherently running in kernel mode when it doesnt need to still exist, but to say that they nothings is wrong, they at least in theory are able to detect more cheats than a userspace level one, now if they are actually using their kernel level priveledges to detect those cheats that, a traditional userspace anticheat wouldnt be able to, is a diferent question

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  • [–] 8 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    yes, kernel level cheats are a thing, but nowadays hardware level is getting common, plus with AI people have been making models who only use the video output which you can just get by splitting the signal and is completely undetectable and inject inputs directly at the hardware level with special periphals and runs in a separate computer, these AI cheats only provide aim assist and trigger assist, but are completely undetectable outside of Valve's style of server anticheat that actually analyses the inputs the clients send

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  • [–] 4 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    From a purely technical standpoint: normal (unprivileged) anti-cheat can only look inside the process its running on, kernel anti-cheat has access to the entire OS, is this correct?

    Are there cases of cheating which unprivileged anti-cheat absolutely cannot catch? Or is it that kernel anti-cheat is just so much easier to implement.

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  • [–] 8 points 11 months ago

    It's technically not Valve's problem in terms of responsibility, but Valve considers it a problem because their goal is functional Linux support for all games on Steam. They want to achieve that to fully decouple from any dependency on Windows whatsoever, and to have leverage in case Microsoft tries to shut them out on Win11 or a future Win12.

    But yeah, still sucks that some studios refuse to support Linux on arbitrary principle.

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  • [–] 15 points 11 months ago

    The issue isn't with Valve. It's with game developers that don't want to support Linux. If they wanted to, they could absolutely come up with an anti-cheat system that works with Linux. Personally, I'll never install anything on my machine that compromises my control over it.

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  • [–] 25 points 11 months ago* (4 children)

    These games are such a small portion of the overall steam playerbase I'm not sure why Valve would care. Everyone makes such a big deal about like 4 or 5 games that dont run because the devs have explicitly chosen to not allow it.

    From the article:

    Other major titles, such as Call of Duty, Battlefield 6, Valorant, League of Legends, and Fortnite, also cannot be played on Linux. For many players, that immediately rules out Linux as a viable platform.

    Like 3 of these 5 games mentioned are not even available on steam. Why is this on Valve to fix?

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