Nobody was forced. They all gleefully built it.

I agree that calling it "universal" is both an exaggeration and chauvinistic, but English is the most widely spoken language in the world, both in total combined as first plus second language and it's by far the most spoken as a second language: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_languages_by_total_number_of_speakers

Rust is not in the same position among computer languages. Javascript holds that distinction, with Rust being way down, outside the top 10: https://survey.stackoverflow.co/2025/technology (it's still outside the top 10 in the 2026 survey, but the 2025 chart is much easier to read and interpret at a glance).

So Rust is indeed not the same as English, which makes it not an apt comparison. One can much more easily completely ignore and avoid Rust as a programming language than they can ignore and avoid English as a human language. They can surely both be ignored and avoided, but it's much more difficult to do so with English.

Blink twice if you're in danger

I feel the opposite. I don't care if you clone my code, I have my personal copy, just like there are many Lemmy instances.

I'm tired of getting useful programs rugpulled on me.

No it definitely isnt

Lmao right

There's a ton of open source idps. The only reason anyone uses entra or Google idp is because they're already using windows or chrome/android

I've never actually seen anyone using auth0. I assume because they read how much it would cost versus something like authentik or keycloak.

Also I didn't see any mention of self hosting this software they're vibe coding.

And I can't decide if Cargo or the Python interpreter is the bigger smart ass.

Almost by definition, maintainability doesn't refer to a "specific part"

https://www.softwareimprovementgroup.com/blog/artcraft-adobe-clone-ai-code-quality/

I'm not interested in getting into an argument about this any further, look through their github issues, there's plenty to learn.

As a note, if you think they're genuinely reviewing this much code at this speed, I think you need to consider the logistics of that.

you think only people with jobs can have informed opinions? weird take but ok.

you're not gonna get a reply to these questions, because they installed eza themself and also, separately, heard about ubuntu adopting the uutils reimplementations of coreutils, which of course does not include eza.

Fun?

If it is a hypothetical then I would pick the "neither option crap," you do not get to control my choices

This is pretty much the whole dilema though. By sharing it and putting it on GitHub you're just making the AI slop contributions problem worse.

AI has also enabled me to do so many crazy projects I know are way beyond my skill level in a pre-AI world, and although I'd love to share some of them I've determined it's just not worthwhile. Anyone technically inclined enough and sufficiently motivated can repeat the same process I did if they want similar tools. AI indeed makes mistakes, but it's scary good at code and has completely revolutionized workflows in every CS position I know of in my company as well as every college CS friend's company. It's better at catching edge cases than humans and writes comments that actually explain what a function does in context of the rest of the program. It's a shame it's all built on stolen training data and forum suggestions from people who were trying to help others in good-faith, but the end result is an undeniably useful tool.

If you have any project ideas or clearly scoped changes to existing open source software you already use daily, it's worth trying for yourself. Google Antigravity is my preferred tool for this sort of thing at a hobbyist level and has a relatively generous free tier. VS Code with copilot is more common professionally and although with the right models connected it's generally better at outputting code that looks less like it's vibe coded, I wouldn't say it's all that much more powerful of a tool for just getting a personal project working.

Seeing slopsayers and rust aficionados fight in the comments is like coming across a baron and revenant going at it in melee.

Hell yeah.

Societal collapse is inevitable with or without AI if we let capitalism continue. Also do you know how much AI actually contributes to global warming? There are so many things you could be doing such as not eating meat, not owning a car or using a smaller car and driving it less, organising against capitalism before you consider lecturing people on their AI usage.

Wait, isn't that kernel EoL? Pretty sure it isn't LTS. Are they really releasing a new os version with a kernel that's already EoL at release? Like what? Why?

Yeah, but if your aim is to write FOSS clones of proprietary software (be it SaaS or otherwise, or even if your aim is to write something bespoke rather than a clone of something that exists), doing it with LLMs is either going to take you longer than writing it yourself or result in laughably glitchy, inferior software.

Remember the news that went around not too long ago about how a company "used AI to make an Open Source Photoshop"? The part everyone left out is that even the company behind it calls their "Open Source Photoshop clone" "early alpha". (At the top-right.) It's barely a tech demo. Not a product. And I doubt it ever will be, despite the hype about it in the news. If it ever does end up rivaling Photoshop, it'll only be because they gave up on using LLMs (which will be more work in the long run than if they just hadn't used LLMs in the first place -- or just contributed to Gimp) or because Photoshop will enshittify enough that the terrible quality of whatever PhotoCraft eventually becomes will be preferable.

Same with any other effort to make FOSS clones of existing proprietary software.

I'm 100% all for making compatible FOSS clones of existing proprietary and SaaS software specifically to break the monopolies held by companies like Adobe and Microsoft and Amazon. I would love to be able to recommend ReactOS to relatives. And I've played a "lot" (compared to most people, at least) of FOSS re-implementations and/or clones of originally-proprietary games or game engines (OpenMW, OpenJK, DXX-Rebirth, Lilium Voyager, Luanti). But LLMs aren't magic and won't help.

AI assisted software development != Vibecoding

I don't understand why people do that when writing rust by yourself is so much fun!

There is one thing that you didn't capture though: what is our edge? What can we do as people that AI won't give us on a silver platter?

I’m not sure exactly what you’re asking or what angle your coming from but it feels like the answer is ingenuity. And of course anything that involves the physical world not the digital one.

Ai is imo a force multiplier or augmentation currently. That is if you are skilled in a field and can catch/correct the incongruities of llm output over the course of a project it’s an extremely powerful tool. When you can come up with new ideas and leverage that agentic harness its powerful. Ai does a mediocre, but getting better faster, job at being a stand-in “consultant” but that mediocre stand in is comparable to a hobbyist in the field. The spark of creation though, the ability to lucidly imagine what could be, is still ours though. For now.

I don’t have a lot to say on that I suppose. I’ll have to chew on that question. Maybe others have thoughts.

I keep hearing people talk about trust, and it's really doesn't make sense to me because we've never done software development based on trust. Humans make mistakes all the time, and I've seen plenty far worse human code than anything an LLM has crapped out over my career. The way we ensure quality is through having a process. It's done by having good specifications, testing, code reviews, planning, and so on. All these things equally apply to code written by hand and that's generated by an LLM, and trust has nothing to do with it.

Can you point to which part specifically are you referring to here? https://github.com/storytold/photocraft

That's only true for the US though. Electricity costs in China are a third of what they are in the states, and open models are now becoming very competitive. We can also see here that DeepSeek is already close to breaking even. The other factor is that models continue to get more efficient, and even local models like Qwen 27b can do serious work. Especially, when combined with good tooling. A coding harness that uses Qwen with five different roles scores as well as Anthropic Fable on the benchmarks.

This 100%. I worked for an enterprise software vendor and even though our product was expensive and open source options existed that did the same thing, the support, maintenance, compliance certifications, etc is what people pay for. The vibe-coded clones might get feature parity, but now support and compliance is totally on the teams using the software.