[–] 1 point 1 month ago (1 child)

Seems to me like what they mean is twisting someone’s words through re-generating / changing intent (accidentally or not), not necessarily translating a language.

Yeah, maybe they themselves just didn't think of "misrepresenting".
Perhaps give an MR?

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  • [–] [S] -1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

    please don't attack the few useful tools that came out of this: machine translation, computer vision and text to speech all made leaps forward and made the internet so much more accessible due to these tools.

    Can you show me how these tools came out of pushing AI down our throats? Pretty sure they were well available and in development before the whole “AI” buzzword push.

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    Seems to me like what they mean is twisting someone’s words through re-generating / changing intent (accidentally or not), not necessarily translating a language.

    For an analogy, your phone/computer/whatever you're using to read this, probably has some parts from dubious places, be it cobalt mines with terrible working environments or whatever. I don't see anyone making a fuss about that, and rejecting commits unless they're made from an ethically sourced machine

    Uh, pretty sure there’s plenty of complaints about working conditions in mines etc.

    Also, this is just a fork, you are free to use whatever you want. Nobody is forcing you to use this.

    I will maybe use it though because I prefer software without AI

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  • [–] 8 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    Not allowed:

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    So ableism? Or is this colonialism? Speak english or be excluded?

    I get the activism, really, but taking it out on people who actually benefit from these technologies, in one of the few cases it's actually by design good at (language), is not the way.

    For an analogy, your phone/computer/whatever you're using to read this, probably has some parts from dubious places, be it cobalt mines with terrible working environments or whatever. I don't see anyone making a fuss about that, and rejecting commits unless they're made from an ethically sourced machine

    These LLMs were created by terrible companies, ignoring all human decency, I agree. But throwing them out now that they were trained, especially higher quality local models that don't have the sustained environment impact the datacenters have, is just throwing out the baby with the bathwater.

    You can choose to boycott the companies training them, you can choose to exclude the contributions to code, but please don't attack the few useful tools that came out of this: machine translation, computer vision and text to speech all made leaps forward and made the internet so much more accessible due to these tools.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (1 child)

    Fair, but I want to push on this one. Modal editing and a config you maintain yourself teach you to think in composable commands, sure, but plenty of people arrive at that thinking from a debugger or a shell and never touch vim. So once the novelty wears off and it's just the tool you happen to open, what then?

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  • [–] 0 points 1 month ago

    Replying from my alt:

    I was trying to make a joke but seems it rubbed off the wrong way. Although I do think there's a philosophical discussion of complexity to be had here.

    The problem with thinking "We have now simplified xyz software" is software developers have this bad habit of often assuming that the world updates to the latest and greatest version of software the moment they deploy it and they erase any semblence of past versions, shortcomings, or even workarounds that others may have deployed and trained their muscle memories on.

    Complexity actually goes up the more versions of software that are released in the world.

    You now have neovim <= 0.12, <= 0.13, 0.13 to keep in your head if someone comes to you for advice on how to setup this cool editor on their distro and they may or may not be able to upgrade to the latest version.

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