I also wish they encourage people to use local-based llms instead of big corpo's

Such qties :)

I really like KDE (even donated to them), but boy do I wish they hadn't decided to allow LLM contributions :( (guessing that aspect won't be in the doc)

Starting to read this title had me in completely the wrong headspace and trying to recall any android 3 at all. Furthest back I could remember was 8er.

IMO this is sane and well worded, I am bookmarking this as wording more projects should at least consider.

But I think they need to expand on the response to vibe codes PRs and such. Getting flooded with this is extremely damaging to a project, so I think their response should be quite strong; immediately close vibe coded PRs, walls of slop, and such, and have a low bar for banning the submitters/spammers behind them.

It’s kind of like spam on the Fediverse. Best to take an extremely aggressive approach as a “deterrent” lest spammers collectively decide its fertile ground.

Again, agreed, but hindsight is 20/20. I'm not sure if when they started in 2016, they would've believed that by this time, things would be going so badly. That said, I suppose we all really should have assumed they'd be enshittified as soon as google removed "Don't be evil" from their policy in 2018.

Agreed. It's time to have a truly open source OS. I didn't know that they had that opinion, but it doesn't surprise me. They seem extremely... determined is probably the nicest way I can put it.

I used to be enthusiastic about graphene, but between this and a few other things, I'm not sure pursuing using graphene is really worthy of my time, if only because of the devs' attitudes, or at least the attitude of whoever is doing their communications.

Yes, and the biggest thing Android has going for it in terms of security is the fact that everything runs under a strict sandbox and permission model.

You could absolutely build a cohesive, secure Linux system using Flatpak to acheive something similar. It will still have rough edges and holes, but if GOS devs put in the same amount of effort into making Linux secure as they have with AOSP, we could get it to where it needs to be.

Nice!

what Google did in Android

Like almost everything Google has done, android was bought by Google. Admittedly, it's been quite a while since then and I couldn't tell you how much can be attributed to the original team vs Google's input.

Shit, well that pretty much seals the deal on no Motophene for me. As if the Epstein Class price tag was not doing enough as a disincentive.

They specifically aren't vibing it though.

As they say it's useful to find vulnerabilities which is true.

And as far as code they said:

Frontier models are very good at finding bugs but it requires an experienced developer to babysit it and extract the useful portion of the output. Important bugs are often found but mixed in with a bunch of low quality output.

Which is the opposite of vibe coding.

It's fair to dislike any LLM usage. But it can have value. But it's often coming from unethical entities like OpenAI and Anthropic etc

The way i understand it, what Google did in Android is no joke, and definitely very hard to implement on a small team that basically works on just fine tuning your existing code. Birthing all this onto Linux is quite an undertaking, and it would need hardware partnership agreements.

Their mastodon profile is talking at length about it.

Yet, the GrapheneOS devs will continue to insist that Linux isn't viable because of "security". Well, how useful is AOSP going to continue being with Google holding it hostage?? It sure seems to me that spending effort to make mobile Linux more secure and usable would be a much better long-term strategy than to keep developing for a dying, hostile ecosystem.

Where?

I didn't realize we were getting so close to the future

That's why I was so gutted that DivestOS shut down. It was such a good alternative to GrapheneOS and was usable on phones other than Pixel.

I guess CalyxOS is the next best thing nowadays, since it can be used on some Motorola phones, Fairphones and the ShiftPhone 8:

https://calyxos.org/install/

don't hope too much, they have admitted they are vibing it

Hopefully Graphene is developing a hard fork of AOSP with Motorola, so they don't have to be reliant on Google

I've said this many times and it's always on my mind. Google is a terrible steward for Android. We need alternatives that are viable and don't came with huge dealbreakers.

The default touch controls are also pretty good, at least on my Thinkpad. I've used lots of distros but Bazzite might be my favorite.

I've never had more stable system than on Gentoo.

I'm done hopping.

Plan B if there's no custom ROM for your phone:

1. root and install App Manager (F-Droid)
2. rip out play services
   1. Replace stock apps nagging about missing play services with FOSS alternatives
   2. flash microg if some of your favorite apps insist.
3. install Aurora
4. Choose your updates

No, they just don't want to, they're playing for the same team.