Wait really? Even with the 13 pro's upgraded battery?

i've been boggling over that part; it doesn't have anywhere near the same battery life like mac or coreboot does.

Interesting, but not terribly surprising. The "gamer" is probably choosing something like Alienware, the "Windows power user" / "business user" is probably picking Lenovo, and the general consumer is going cheap.

I will say as a Linux user that these do look damn cool and if I was shopping for laptops, it'd be the frontrunner.

The video said it was a MBP for Linux users so this doesn't seem like much of a headline

not denounced [...] when questioned

Jesus. Fucking. Christ.

But this is the crux, right? That they refused the struggle sess, not that they've done anything particularly bad. Because materially:

funded the [...] multiple times

False. Once, and even that is is tenuous. The laptop was one of many not to support the recipients, but to ensure compatibility. During the 3 weeks that the Internet thought Omarchy was cool.

chooses to KNOWINGLY work with and FUND them

False. Funding had already happened by the time the issue was flagged, and there are no indications that any more money is going DHH's way.

And moreover Anarcat, who originally raised the issue, soon agreed that Framework are in the clear:

it matters, so much, that Framework did that research. for me this is the key difference between uncertainty about the politics of Framework (where the whole thing would have been dog whistlings) and due dilligence (where this is all a basically massive misunderstanding

But that is not the remedy requested. Instead, they are invited to performative self-humiliation:

concerns of others

apologize for funding him

admit the fault

...which they never did. And this makes some people angry. Because this is a power struggle where a small online clique is trying to assert its authority to gatekeep the in-group.

So why don't you do all of us a favor, and redirect that struggle session shit to any of the AI companies, or the suppliers pivoting to cater to them, or the surveillance-tech, or Alex fucking Karp in particular — all of whom are materially making our world worse and are much closer to actual fascism — and away from an OK-ish little electronics manufacturer that is doing quite all right for the narrow purpose that they have?

He funded the projects of a person who holds those beliefs multiple times and has not denounced DHH's beliefs when questioned. Saying you are pro immigrant and pro lgbt is not a counter to working with and funding someone who wants those people gone.

It doesnt matter if he isn't personally a white supremacist if he chooses to KNOWINGLY work with and FUND them over the concerns of others in the community. Big tent is stupid. If a nazi walks into a bar, announces theres a nazi, and you do not kick them out, that is a nazi bar. If they found out later that he was a white supremacist, the first thing they should have done was stop funding, apologize for funding him and not knowing about his views, say that they do not agree with those views and they are not welcome, and that they would be more careful in the future.

We only got bits and pieces of that after the community complained. Giving a nazi money, then when it is found out saying "well, we have a bit tent ideology," then later after getting flak for it saying "well actually I'm pro- the things the nazi hates" is not very inspiring. A company that actually cares would admit the fault and fix it, not try to brush it under the rug.

No, Framework didn't fund Nazis, and everyone still loves them.

This is bullshit internet gossip.

Dude named Nirav Patel explained that his approach to making electronics is informed by his growing up in an immigrant family, which "had to be thrifty" (in one of their videos on their YT cca 2024). How likely is it that such a dude is a white supremacist? Or was he supposed to be a Hindutva supremacist?

If he was a supremacist, how likely would he be advancing that agenda by retweeting a rice by DHH — a minor figure on the sidelines — sending him a laptop, and sponsoring a local DHH-affiliated Ruby event with relatively modest $20K?

Much more probably, they randomly threw some money around free software and only later figured out who DHH is.

He also clearly distanced himself personally from such views:

To avoid disappointing anyone later who wants to ascribe beliefs to me, I am pro-immigrant and pro-LGBTQ.

...if this was not obvious from the start.

You're right, I only need the keyboard updated and thats all until something stops working.

Why ? there will be a better model again eventually, so why not just use your current model until it cant do what you want anymore and THEN start the upgrade process

I have an old MS Surface Pro 7+ with LMDE. I use it infrequently and it does all I need, when it can't, my plan is to go to a Framework 13x

I have an OG one (Aug 2021) that ive upgraded to the AMD board years back. I am still pretty happy with its performance so ill hold off on the board and screen. However I do want the new bottom upgrade so I will be getting that for trackpad and speakers. I will also get a new CNC top cover because at this point mine is all dented now.

Touchscreens on laptops are imo the most overrated things ever. If it’s a 360 flip into a tablet jobber - then the touchscreen and a pen make sense. But jabbing a finger in a screen instead of using a quality touchpad - blasphemy! :)

This is basically me. Got my 13 least year. I won't be upgrading until I'm forced to, most likely. When I do it'll be those components first. Though I do covet the touchscreen, I don't actually need it

...if I had one!

Looks great.

Im going to do the silver bottom kit and buy a CNC top cover. Prob the next pro upgrade cycle I’ll grab a board and screen cuz I'm pretty happy with my AMD still. 20hr battery life would be sick but its not that much of a game changer for me atm

Probably I'll wait another year or so, but I think I'm likely to stick with silver. I've been rocking raw aluminum slabs since I got my first laptop way back in 2010 or so, a secondhand MacBook pro, and haven't deviated. Honestly the raw aluminum was a selling point of the framework, though not as much of one as, you know, the whole repairability/upgradability stuff.

Same. I’d be a lot happier if they had said “sorry, we didn’t know, we’re pulling our sponsorship/attendance for projects where DHH is involved.”

Yeah, that seems like a reasonable take. At the end of the day we really don't need these upgrades, they're just nice. Especially since it appears I was unaware of their questionable sponsorship recipients, so if anything more incentive for me to hold off on buying anything for a bit before I can dig into it.

Well, yikes. I didn't know this about Framework and this is disappointing to me. I guess I can just save my cash before awaiting the next sponsorship report, though the latest one being from March this year isn't encouraging :/ but man do I really love their ethos on open, repairable, and upgradable hardware...

Yeah I love my AMD FW 13 too. I'm not gonna upgrade right away, personally. Very compelling, but so is my current hardware. I'm probably gonna hang tight for awhile.

Maybe upgrade the touchpad if the price is right. The touchscreen is something I wished it had last year when I bought in, but unless mine breaks I can't justify the cost.

Black with silver could look great.

Not clear. They still list Hyprland on their most recent donation blog update (with an annual sum rather than monthly) and they still have Rails World listed as well.

None of that is something that I would call “doubling down”, which to me means escalation of their actions. I feel like they kinda put their heads down and ignored the problem mostly.

But in any case I don’t know if that means they’re still paying him today or whether that’s carryover from previous payments or a contract they didn’t want to break for whatever reason.

It’s also not clear to me whether “Rails World” is a one-man show or whether DHH just happens to be the founder. Is the money funneled right to him, does he benefit financially? I have no idea.

Been rocking a FW12 with no plans to upgrade or replace any time soon. It's perfect for meetings and travel. Though this thread is probably asking folks that use the 13 as a daily driver.

I did just order a FW desktop to replace an old custom build, because desktop is my daily driver.

My 13 is a couple of years old now, but it’s still trucking along just fine. My top three complaints were battery life, the trackpad, and sub optimal speakers - all addressed with the bottom chassis kit. When the battery needs replacing or when the trackpad holding bracket bends/deforms again - I’ll buy the bottom kit and move everything into that. Then someday I’ll go for a new monitor and main board etc. But not now.