When my colleagues asks for a new laptop over the Teams meeting....

Thanks for the write up!

mem_sleep shows only s2idle, so I suppose that's all I get. I don't know why it's so inefficient. Very annoying to forget to turn it off before I take it somewhere.

I love my framework, but it feels like modern technology should better than older technology.

Don't get me started on the loss of hibernate 🤦‍♂️

Wake it up? You mean turn it on?

Yup, waking it from suspend.

I checked on my machine in detail, and was surprised to find that it's using suspend-to-idle/s2idle, not even deep sleep. Deep sleep should save even more battery life, at the expense of requiring a couple extra seconds to wake from suspend (and at least on my Framework 12, requiring pressing the power button to wake rather than just opening the screen and/or pressing any keys)

cat /sys/power/mem_sleep should show you what your machine supports, and you can e.g. echo "deep" > /sys/power/mem_sleep as root to change this. I've tested both on my Framework 12 running Silverblue 43 and they both seem to function fine, though I'll leave my machine in s2idle as I'm not in particular need of maximizing my battery life (this laptop for me is currently homebound so battery life isn't the highest priority).

Wake it up? You mean turn it on? My fw13 running Bluefin (preconfigured silverblue), will be almost dead after 24 hours "sleeping".

Now I set the battery max to 60 and leave it plugged in all the time. If I'm gonna take it somewhere I turn it off to transport.

Sleep just doesn't work right 🤷‍♂️

An old ThinkPad >>> Framework

As a fellow Linux laptop (and Bazzite on a HTPC) user, this is a constant risk.

If things are configured correctly (including kernel parameters, etc), you should be losing something like 5% per day on standby. It's very unlikely a hardware issue if you're losing more than that in standby but the battery is fine under normal operation.

Aside from contacting support, I would try a more stable and slow moving distro and see if they have the same issue.

Well that kinda sucks :(

My 13 has an issue with the trackpad I've been meaning to bring up with support but I missed the warranty window, so I'll get around to it eventually

I hope you find a resolution for your problem somehow, that blows

Same, I'm on Fedora Silverblue (which should be much more similar to Bazzite) on my Framework 12 and haven't experienced this. I regularly leave my laptop lying around off the charger for 3-4 days (will maybe wake it up for 10-15 minutes at a time every so often during) and it'll still be running.

If I was in that situation and there wasn't a real fix, I'd look into seeing if there's space to mod in a physical switch in-line with the battery.

If it is a well-known problem, it's not universal. Mine doesn't do this. I'm running openSUSE Tumbleweed.

Yeah, it is very user repairable, but not day to day conveniant to remove

That's pretty neat. I'd love to pick one up once reviews are in.

Would be a nice way to use all the extra expansion cards I got.

That's awesome. I love my Framework 13

Gotcha, so it's not the type you can just pop in and out. I was imagining it was like some models you'd find in the 2010s, but if it's all internal, that does make it more difficult.

Well, yeah but then my laptop wouldn't be at all portable any more..

The battery is simple to remove, but it is not without tools and some time.

Maybe this is a silly question, but are you able to/do you remove the battery when not in use? Doesn't solve the underlying issue, but you'd at least still have a functional battery.

Bazzite

What OS are you running on it?

It is a well known problem with no real fix what I've read.

But I might give the support a try. Pretty sure they'll just point me towards the articles I've already read though.

Well that sucks, have you talked to framework support about it?

I am very dissatisfied with my Framework 12. It just discharges when not in use. From 100% to completely empty over one night.

I might look at repurposing the expansion cards through one of these.

That's unfortunate.

I think Framework did a great job with this, but after owning it since August I wouldn't recommend it. It's actually been an incredibly frustrating experience for me from first boot.

I bought this to do self hosting and AI stuff, but currently PyTorch and ONNX do not work. AMD's software stack is completely fucked. I don't know if they pay kyuz0 money, but he's the only person on this planet who seems to be able to make it do anything.

My biggest criticisms are:

• Thunderbolt display support sucks, but I think this is linux issue. I've hacked it to work, but it's janky.
• As mentioned, the AMD driver stack is trash. I honestly don't know how there isn't a class action for false advertising. I have tried every permutation of instructions on their website, I've tried TheRock, it's all just been a waste of dozens of hours.
• The HDMI port doesn't do CEC, which by all accounts it should, but the HDMI consortium are blocking it I guess. I'd take a closed source patch at this point.

And again, absolutely none of this is Framework's fault, I'll never buy an AMD device again.

Yes, however the price was already quite high for an unupgradeable minipc.

Also the price in US is significantly worse once converted for Canadian markets.

Isn’t that a price increase of forty dollars?

For $1,139 USD the value proposition has collapsed.

At this price point it's becoming increasing difficult to justify over buying a laptop.