Eyo, where the Norwegian fish farms at? They be mighty wicked too.

Don't you think Say NO makes one want to know what to say no to?

shouldn’t title be say YES to sustainable seafood?

Yeah, economics always wins... in the end. It was a happy day when solar went below coal in cost, but also sad that we had to get there before changes for the better really started compounding. That was the day the writing was on the wall for fossil fuels, everyone knew it, with the slow commodification of EVs i think we're not far off seeing it again there.

Although maybe theres some psychological shifts needed for people in their sense of a cars place in society, before commodification can happen. We often treat these machines like our very own Victorian England style carriage. In that case we may never cross the cost threshold, the human ego might leave it as a luxury item.

Unfortunately I haven't got the time but this leads into a bigger argument of mine that climate change doesn't move the needle for most people, economics and features do

tldr if solar and wind turbines were more expensive than coal or gas, would we use them? EV's are currently <2% of the Australian car market, only having recently burst up in sales thanks to higher fuel prices, if they were worse than regular cars, required more maintenance, had a shorter lifetime etc, would people buy them?

features/economics sells EV's/batteries/solar/heat pumps, not climate change

Planet doesn't care about per capita

But unfortunately people, their self interest, and their politics do.

Its like saying it doesn't matter that the Coalition are dragged kicking and screaming along the renewables path. Yes progress is made, but it'd have been a whole lot more successful and easier if it was bipartisan. At every turn the Nationals especially have raised bloody murder over fuckin windmills.

So these people and their 'concerns', (only sometimes legitimate), have to be addressed and assuaged. Same with international relations, China might have to do a lot of heavy lifting, but they'll be sure to throw bags of rubbish over the fence if they feel like the rest of the world aren't pulling their own weights. It might be childish, but anger at those kinds of things tends to fester.

Good site, i'll have to look at it more. Seems like not a million miles away from the kind of organisation a news station would want to reference in a situation like the above article.

they could blame-shift right back by saying that our are higher per-capita

Planet doesn't care about per capita, it cares about actual output, apparently Palau and Qatar have the highest co2 per capita in the world:

https://ourworldindata.org/explorers/co2?hideControls=false&Gas+or+Warming=CO%E2%82%82&Accounting=Territorial&Fuel+or+Land+Use+Change=All+fossil+emissions&Count=Per+country&country=CHN%7EAUS%7EPLW%7EQAT

Who cares :\

I would never say that because I pollute a lot less than the average person that I have technically a per capita surplus, I can now go and pollute a whole lot more

We're way way above the targets recommended by the IPCC, and this is a global issue. You can try to blame-shift to China by saying their country's emissions are higher, but they could blame-shift right back by saying that our are higher per-capita. And none of that helps. What actually does help is reducing emissions, regardless of who is responsible.

https://explore.openelectricity.org.au/emissions/au/?interval=Quarter&projections=false&history=false

:D

some cool scenarios here on how the electricity market turns out as well: https://openelectricity.org.au/scenarios

Well I think the point is our CO2 emissions fluctuate. The trend may be flat-lining on 2005 levels or down on 2005 levels, but then you get the smart little Tufton street types that come along saying "see they're lying about the data, because theres all these peaks and troughs!" casually ignoring the fact that CO2 emissions generally go up in winter due to heating. At least in cold countries, for Australia maybe the opposite is true, I haven't looked specifically.

It's pointless, the west is already on the decline of co2 emissions, having reduced our yearly emissions by billions

Maybe it would make sense to do this in China and India and other countries whose co2 emissions are going up?

best way, vote Green.

Authentic wombat photo 💖

😂

It'd be Bluey I reckon. That little Heeler has already being a star attraction at Macy's Parade in New York and is a world sensation world-wide. Who'd think?!

The Heelers I'm sure will make an appearance but they wouldn't make great mascots. Especially Bandit, that blokes a liability. Lucky's dad says so.

Thank you for pointing that out. I should have looked more closely. I'll change it right away.

AI photo why?

Alcoa?
Of course its Alcoa.

It seems many people DO litter their own garden. Nature IS their garden but they only identify what is important to them according to limited self-interest and according to the way they have been conditioned (or brainwashed) by their personal experience, their 'tribe' and the information they follow. They have difficulty seeing the big picture if it doesn't affect them in personal ways. I realise this is a superficial answer to your questions.

I feel your despondence. It is important though, that you stay strong. You are right to question the lack of care of governments and many people but not everyone is at the same stage of understanding. We just got to continue doing what we can, however we can, to increase this understanding and particularly support the young.

@arbilp3 @pulsewidth Why don't people in Australia and in Germany (and probably the rest of the world as well) and their governments protect their environment, the place they live, love, raise their children, ..., despite the scientific evidence? It isn't rocket science, I do understand the necessity to protect our environment and I wouldn't call myself a genius.As an example why do people throw their rubbish literally out of the window? Would they litter their own garden? I don't get it.

I don't think they care about evidence so it's up to us to keep driving the point that if govt doesn't protect the environment we do NOT vote for them and also to boycott, if we can, any company involved in environment destruction. Our other battle is that most of mainstream Australia doesn't really care about environmental issues beyond the superficial and will not take political action unless it affects the perceived effects on their wallet and tribe.

Oh, and they're pitching the Yaminon as the mascot for the next Olympics which will be held in Brisbane, Qld. Do you think it should be Northern-Hairy Nosed Wombat (whose nose is not hairy 😜 ) or Bluey?. I go for the Yaminon!

All my homies vote Greens.

Labor, while admittedly being 100 times better than the popular alternatives in LNP and ONP, have still repeatedly shown they only care about the environment inasmuch as it doesn't impact with their corporate investors and mining union.

We cannot accept business proposals that have such a deliberate and damaging impacts on the environment, and you'd think we would have fucking learned that by now by all the past evidence.

Have you got any bettr ideas?