I'm personally against this.

Until people start organizing and getting to the streets pushing for change, voting for a "third party" will not move the needle. People won't just "come to the realization" that they need to vote outside of the 2 parties.

This isn't me personally saying there are only 2 choices. This is me saying the media has convinced everybody that they only have 2 choices. What power do I have as an individual compared to billionare media giants who can make bold claims to an audience of thousands/millions? I can put all my energy into trying to convince my friends, family & neighbors what is right... until they see a new tiktok video that tells them everything I said is wrong. This has been my personal experience over the last few years.

I would absolutely love to push for 3rd parties. I fucking hate the 2 party system. But when it comes down to it, the media is not talking about them. Shorts are focused on engagement, and everybody LOVES to be engaged with BS political Republican vs Democrat stuff. Classic red vs blue, good vs evil, boys vs girls style drama they can feel like they're a part of. Unfortunately, the average person follows the tide of media, and until something can be done about that, I believe we're kind of stuck.

Nay

Nay as an instance rule. Like I get it, electoralists are so fucking obnoxious and disruptive, but an instance rule is a bit much. But I absolutely support this as a community rule in our specifically anarchism oriented communities.

What the

Nay

While these types of statements are generally juvenile and obnoxious, they do not rise to the level of requiring official rules or moderation.

*... and it is not even close. Frankly, some of the proposals here are borderline fasccurious. It confuses the shit out of me because it is the opposite of why I chose db0.

Nay

I can't see that take as anything more than yet another obnoxious attempt at passing off blame onto individuals, ignore the power structures at play and you achieve less than nothing.

Edit: I phrased that poorly, I meant because there are so many very much obnoxious attempts all the time, it feels like another of them- I wasn't at all trying to say that you were being obnoxious.

Nay

I mostly agree with you, but I think making it an instance rule is a bit too much when communities can already moderate themselves however they see fit.

We can’t have good takes without having bad takes.

Trying to censor the collective editorial mechanisms against one particular topic feels like a bad idea to me.

Sometimes opinions are just unpopular, even our own strongly held ones. It’s okay to be against the grain sometimes because the alternative of groupthink is so much worse in my opinion.

No thank you to this change.

Nay, it would be censoring of opinions plus what is considered shaming feels very subjective (and is also often dictated by your views which mean that an admin that is pro-voting and one that is against voting will behave very differently)

Though

Lastly, assuming someone doesn't vote, or votes against the Democrats just because they are critical of Democrat policies and politicians is just bad-faith bullshit. Please don't make bad-faith assumptions. Though we are critical of the Democrats I think the vast majority of our US members still hold their noses and throw them a vote, despite everything.

Assuming is generally bad so this could at least be added as a guideline

Saying that not voting is a vote for trump (well, half a vote) isn't wrong IMO, But be civil and accept criticism, that's the only way we all learn and move forward.

So personally I'm against the blanket rule.

Every bullet point you listed are great examples, but limiting how things are discussed and determining whether it's "shaming" is subjective and a slippery slope.

This is a big NO from me.

Well the timing is what prompted it, because its always a nightmare for mods during election season when everyone seems to become a little more rabid than usual. But I'm hearing the feedback, easier for mods isn't necessarily better for users.