I think that website is just very old, so they made everything as images instead of trying to get chinese characters rendering on early browsers.

How does this show up? 典

I mean he is right, I feel like this decision spits in the face of the spirit of the Debian social contract but whatever I guess... Considering Debian's position and how many projects rely on it I understand why the decision has been reached but that tells me it is thinking of itself as a business and not a community first.

Maybe CtrlShift+ or Ctrl+MouseWheel? It work for me to enlarge the page.

I know the site but i never payed that much attention to the text size because i'm not learning Chinese. Yes it's weird that everything is an image. I started using this Chinese handwriting input site to get characters as text, but that's obviously impractical if you need more than a couple characters.

The text size can be improved by zooming in the page. On Firefox (default in in mostt DEs, i think) you hold control and scroll up or press the plus key.

I wonder if the site is so old that it was written before there was a better way to display Chinese in HTML. I don't know any of its history tho.

Though this doesn't mean that the whole CERN IT infrastructure is being moved. The migration is specific to the accelerator control layer—the front-end computers that talk directly to the equipment running the beam.

Note that earlier reporting was wrong to suggest all of CERN was moving to Debian. People at CERN clarified that only a small part of CERN is switching.

i've gone the other way -- going from debian to red hat -- so i don't blame them. lol

Apparently the hive mind is angry you didn't demonize AI. You need to call it a "fascist world-destroyer" otherwise you get down votes from the zealots.

Whoa there, isn't that a bit dangerous!?

it would be nice if there was an ai free version of Debian

Yes but lemmy would have you believe that is also facism ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

personally, i prefer to live on the edge (i'm on stable)

Great article, I'm going to send this one around, thanks!

But I'd like to make a distinction: LLMs are not just tools, it's more basic; they're just math.

As the author themself said: Claude, Codex, and so on are tools built using LLMs.

They drive you towards slop not least because they're only available as subscription models that you pay for by token.

Maybe commodification will lead to super terse models that run on personal or institutional servers, and exist as an advanced rubber duck to test your assumptions against. Totally thinkable with LLMs, yet very far from our current reality.

People are. They're not training frontier models yet but scientific supercomputers exist.

Playing video games is also energy hungry. If you're an experienced developer and just use AI a bit to help with some coding tasks (rather than vibe-coding the entire day), your usage would likely use less power than playing a game on a powerful gaming PC for an hour. If you look at Neuralwatt's pricing for example, smaller models are ~100-300mWh per request on average, while larger ones (GLM, Kimi K3) are ~2-3Wh, at least on Neuralwatt's infra.

I like the response someone left to that response: https://deadsimpletech.com/blog/no-such-thing-as-just-a-tool

Exactly, as long as the author submitting a change takes ownership of the work and is held accountable for it, then the choice of tooling is entirely irrelevant.

A sensible policy.

Responsible AI is an oxymoron.

Titles of the proposals for those interested:

• Option 1 "Ban LLM contributions from Debian via Social Contract"
• Option 2 "Allow AI-Assisted Contributions with conditions"
• Option 3 "Reject LLMs as far as practical, update Code of Conduct"
• Option 4 "Accept AI contributions for Debian specific work"
• Option 5 "Responsible Use of Generative AI"
• Option 6 "A cautious approach to generative AI"
• Option 7 "Debian is created by humans"
• Option 8 "Avoid the use of LLM: climate destruction is a deal breaker"

And the voting system isn't so simple, it's really best to click through to the data/tables:

https://www.debian.org/vote/2026/vote_002#quorum

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Condorcet_method

They don't need their own LLM. They can just use existing open weights models trained far more modestly.

Maybe finetune them for some specific task, but TBH something like Deepseek/GLM flash, Qwen 3.8, or even Nemotron are going to be plenty good for automation and chores.

...But the thing is, I don't think Debian can dictate an automation setup to contributors, just like they can't dictate what IDE or other software they use to code. It's up to contributors to be conscientious.

dunno. IMHO Commercial LLM as they are now are unethical trained and energy hunger. Maybe if Debian raised it own LLM, trained on its own data and hosted as environmentaly sustainable as possible...

Guess it's time to upgrade from oldoldstable to oldstable.

I said something along these lines in the linux community and got downvoted into oblivion.

Just because billionaire facists have taken control of the tech, doesnt make it inherently facist....

We could implement these things in a more ethical way but its difficult and expensive.

Ofc a random@piefed.social would be referencing George Orwell. 🤦‍♂️

On your local machine, after having fed your ops DBs and codebases into it?