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One person stopping a vehicle, the other judging the people in the vehicle like a disappointed parent.
Direct link to the actual toot source.
The second image is a bit on the nose IMO. The comparison was clear enough from the original. And yeah maybe some people need it pointed out to them, but I suspect those people are also the ones who will reject the idea regardless.
Wait until the tankies come in here and tell you this guy was trying to stop them from leaving and asking them to go back and detain more immigrants while also claiming there were no immigrants there anyways
If you are talking about tank man i can just show you you can clearly see tiananmen square in the background and the direction the tanks are going and where the guy is pointing.
can't wait for that one guy from .ml to show up and argue that Tiananmen Square was a peaceful protest and post links claiming that there were no deaths recorded there.
You dont need to make a strawman of what mls believe, you can just quote the wikipedia and ignore the claims by countries that have a reason to fabricate hostile evidence. If you want to go further, look at testimonies by witnesses that corroborate the side opposed to where they currently live.
Its also important to try to understand why the chinese feel the issue is contentious and the various perspectives, as opposed to letting the other side tell you how the chinese feel and why.
There were no deaths recorded there though. Here is what a reporter of the washington post who was in Beijing at the time says about that.
IIRC, The chinese government say 200 something died, and presumably they have more information than a wapo reporter, since they can ask the hospitals and witnesses to verify the police and military reports.
Some minister, 15 days after the events, according to a paywalled book in 1998, according to wikipedia.
The death toll was certainly greater than zero, theres pictures of dead soldiers and like 2 dozen protestors in the streets surrounding the square.
Ive read parts of the wikipedia page on it and it says the chinese gov states there were around 20 soldiers killed, but it doesnt mention civilians killed, plus a bunch of injured people. That minister really says something about 200 dead?
300 is the bare minimum students killed and thats the chinese gov number. Its likely 1200 (most supported number) or 10,000 (my schizo number that I choose to believe based off a single unsubstantiated source). There were at least 10k injured since army was firing live rounds into the crowd.
I believe those were from the fighting happening elsewhere since there was an active rebellion going on with soldiers being lynched etc. What the wapo reporter is speaking against is this idea in the western mind of peaceful protesters on tiananmen square being mowed down by gunfire.
Ok yeah no nobody who has done as minimal investigation as "looking at the square in the background of the tankman video" and cares about the incident beyond its utility as hostile evidence believes that, I assumed we were talking about the entire incident.
It's more than any of us have done. Often, genuine actions and words are much stronger than any impact they may initially have.
Perception is more powerful than reality. You think the tankman from china actually accomplished much. But he is still a symbol today.
I still find it so odd the tank didn't want to run him over, when just the day before they had tanks running over hundreds of bodies over and over to the point where they could just spray the remains with a fire hose into the sewer.
The blocker pussied out in the end? Was about to get his own Tiananmen moment but decided that taking a stand for what's right should only come when personally safe to do so
what does that even mean?
It means that of you think he did it wrong then you should go out there and do it right yourself.
I'll leave that for any Americans left. Fix your own country. Call me when this fascist takeover shit is happening in Ottawa.
In the U.S, our tanks would run them over
this is in the US
It indeed is in the US, and the Hummer kept moving and would have run the guy over, if he had not stepped aside.
Yes, I was making the comparison to that one event in China to this event (in the u.s) saying that our tanks (literal or metaphorical for a member of a military convoy) would run over our protestors instead of stopping.
I want to see the US soldier who swore to uphold the US Constitution operating a tank run down US citizens on US soil. Then we will know for sure China has won.
Why does it have to be specifically a tank?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:United_States_military_killing_of_American_civilians
What do you mean? Is it china that has forced the usa to be violent to its own citizens?
Is this the operation where their was child labour of illegal immigrants and then someone started shooting at the ice officers?
LOL, nice try with the blatant dishonest spin. Too bad your attempt to falsely paint ICE as the 'good guys' falls flat if you've got two brain cells to rub together and realize that they were there to kidnap the workers, not arrest the owners.
You mean unlike using real American citizens' children as laborers, legally? Because I'm pretty sure the current administration is all for legalizing child labour.
And I'm sure those poor exploited children will be so much happier in El Salvador.
Who let the racist dirtbag in here? Were the immigrants also eating babies and worshipping Satan according to your source?
Not racist just making sure everyone had the facts.
How is asking a question sharing facts? If you had facts, you would have linked them. You clearly don't.
Its not my job to educate you. U can see my clearly rhetorical question and use Google to find out that it is in fact true.
Well, you litterally said you were making sure everyone had the facts. My bad for taking you at your word. "facts" without proof are just opinions.
Facts are still facts regardless of if I've provided proof. That's how objective reality works.
True, but not relevant. Opinions are not facts until proof is provided. Saying it is a fact does not make it one. P implies Q does not support Q implies P. But, based on your statements, I doubt you understand that. Probably too "woke" for your education.
Go Google it. Its not an opinion its fact. As I said not my job to educate you your capable of googling urself.
Didn't realise math was woke that's news to me. I do love how people of ur ideology love to use logical abstract arguments when it suits you but say I don't care about people and have no empathy when I do it.
You know mothing of my ideology. All you know is I understand logic proofs, and that I am calling you out for failing to understand how logic works.
So let me try your logic and give you a fact. The moon is made of cheese. It's a fact. I don't have to have to prove it, it isn't my job to educate you. So it's a fact.
I know almost everything of ur ideology. U think trump is a fascist along with all his voters. You think dei is a good thing. You support gay and trans rights. U claim to believe in free speech but think misinformation should be censored. You are pro choice and think that people should have bodily autonomy except in a pandemic they must wear a mask as u think its causing harm.
Am I wrong?
Well I just googled it and turns out the moon isn't made of cheese. If u did the same for my claim u would find that I am in fact right.
Yes, you are wrong. Only one out of 5 were correct.
And wait, just because I said it was a fact, it wasn't? Was it a fact up until you googled it? And if you never googled it, it would remain a fact?
So what ones did I get wrong please tell me.
It was never a fact not prior to or post me googling it. As I said objective reality remains the same regardless of proof.
You can look through my profile, it's not my job to educate you. Sound familiar?
Think of the meme with the 6/9 on the ground. The guy looking from one side sees a 6. The other guy on the other side sees a 9. So what is the "fact"? Is it a 6 or a 9.
Facts are not absolute. Perspective is always relevant. And when the english language gets involved it gets harder to represent a fact. I am sure you didn't personally witness what you described as facts. So you can't know the objective reality. You just have an opinion. Generally the word fact is used to describe something that there is strong evidence for, not an actual objective reality. So to you something that is a fact because you have seen evidence is just your opinion when presented without the accompanying evidence.
You made the claim and you can't back it up. You just phrased it in the form of a question.
So what I'm getting from you is:
"Do your own research on the bile I just vomited into existence because I formed it as a question."
Fair point I guess. Solid reasoning... Definitely no holes in that.
Unrelated - Your name is, of course, a reference to that tribe that sodomizes children and wears skin suits?
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