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[–] 55 points 5 months ago (2 children)

major manifesto

Why dumb down proper news reporting?
The "manifesto" is called Encyclical letter, and is the classical format of publications of the Catholic Pope.

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  • [–] 46 points 5 months ago* (4 children)

    I grew up so ideologically opposed to these guys that I hate it when they make a good point. 😩

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  • [–] 16 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    They are socially conservative, but they have been fairly consistent at asking people not to kill each other for the past decades.

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  • [–] 11 points 5 months ago

    I think the leadership is less socially conservative compared to the past, but they represent some very conservative bases so they more or less are having to crawl progress forward or they risk a schism.

    The previous pope, Pope Francis, stacked the Vatican with more progressive leaning cardinals. I believe Pope Leo will be following in Pope Francis’ footsteps in terms of appointments.

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  • [–] 54 points 5 months ago (39 children)

    I stand behind Leo's message 100%,

    but you have to admit it is kind of funny that the original gaslighter organization which uses positive reinforcement to brainwash people into worshiping a deity of their own creation is trying to stop tech companies from doing the exact same thing, lol.

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  • [–] 8 points 5 months ago (8 children)

    Yeah but at least that organization has not ever instigated a war, right?

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago (7 children)

    Is an instititute not allowed to develop into something better over time?

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  • [–] 6 points 5 months ago* (2 children)

    it was built on a weak foundation of lies for a people who are scared to die. But really who isn't... I remember hearing catholics say "those christians over there are not real christians" ...Then I proceeded to think neither of you two are christians but a lost people displaced by war, exploited by capitalist and no real memory of your past. Bondage is all they know. Without a scientific mind you just make shit up and in the hiearchy the poor pay more.

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  • [–] 6 points 5 months ago*

    We in the USA have a issue with secular and non secular idol worship... The pope is a CEO... Kinda like his own little corpo kingdom... kinda like these billionaire welfare queen pdfile anarcho capitalist libertarian tech ceos..and it seems like both parties can't keep their hands off the kids. Like musky boy is trying to create or already created. These catholic clergy are just grifters and fraudsters. It is sad to watch the elderly spiral into madness and these vampires love taking advantage of the weak while posing as "the good guy".... the world is a inversion of what people actually believe. It is hard to keep your head on straight with such a heavy knowledge base. I looked into the abyss and it spit in my eye.

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  • [–] -4 points 5 months ago (23 children)

    me when I know absolutely nothing about the Church and I watched a single netflix documentary

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago (19 children)

    I was raised Catholic, actually. Went to bible camp every summer, sang in the choir. The book is fantasy fiction and the preacher's livelihood depends on convincing people that all good things come from god and all bad things come from humanity.

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  • [–] -2 points 5 months ago (9 children)

    and Jesus Christ wasnt created by the Church.....

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago (8 children)

    Jesus? No, but he was used by them. Christ? Yes, complete fabrication.

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  • [–] 0 points 3 months ago (7 children)

    Jesus Christ literally said he is the Son of Man and assigned Pope Peter as the "rock" of his church

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago (6 children)

    Jesus Christ

    Again, there is no such thing as a christ, magic isn't real.

    literally said he is the Son of Man

    Isn't everyone?

    and assigned Pope Peter as the "rock" of his church

    And what does that mean? One of these four interpretations? https://www.gotquestions.org/upon-this-rock.html

    Or something else entirely? Let's ask Jesus. Oh right... he died.

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  • [–] 0 points 3 months ago (5 children)
    1. There is, stop strawmanning it to "magic"

    2. The Son of Man as in the Messiah. Matthew 26:64 Jesus said to him: “You have said it. Yet truly I say to you, hereafter you shall see the Son of man sitting at the right hand of the power of God, and coming on the clouds of heaven.”

    3. Jesus told him to "feed my sheep".

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago (4 children)

    There is, stop strawmanning it to "magic"

    Can god make something out of nothing? That is magic. Can god reverse death? That is magic.

    What's up with the blood sacrifices and rituals? Totally-not-magic?

    The Son of Man as in the Messiah. Matthew 26:64 Jesus said to him: “You have said it. Yet truly I say to you, hereafter you shall see the Son of man sitting at the right hand of the power of God, and coming on the clouds of heaven.”

    Messiah meaning savior? To save us from the punishments god created for us?

    Jesus told him to "feed my sheep".

    Jesus was kind of a dick like that, yeah. If we believe the gospels.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago (2 children)

    Again:

    To save us from the punishments god created for us?

    You keep cherry-picking parts you think you can answer (though all you have is apologetics, fallacies) and ignoring the parts that prove your death cult is baseless and harmful.

    Fucking scum, fuck you for choosing death.

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  • [–] -4 points 5 months ago (8 children)

    Please read the Bible further.

    May I have some of the verses you read that made you think that?

    and no it does not, not at all

    Most religious orders (the way that most people become priests or brothers) do not have you earn your own money, you live in formation houses or active communities with priests and brothers

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago (6 children)

    Clearly I've read the bible more, and in more versions of, than you.

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  • [–] -2 points 5 months ago (4 children)

    translations depend on literalness and the way its said

    for example

    the difference between

    "I ate a bunch of fruit today"

    and

    "A bunch of fruit was consumed by me today"

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago* (3 children)

    Yeah but then you say a bunch of racist authoritarian shit and try to shrug it off as sarcasm when the crowd turns against you. You're not allowed to decide you were joking after the fact.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago

    That's the point of the garden of Eden story. God made everything and everyone, but we broke his impossible rules and now he punishes us forever, to the point that infants are born with sin.

    It's a death cult.

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    Pretty sure that documentary would be the more consistent and factually based religious piece of media out there.

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  • [–] 25 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    Just disarm billionaires from their money.

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  • [–] 64 points 5 months ago (11 children)

    The pope's AI encyclical was good reading and reminds us to center human dignity, compassion, etc. Lots of ethics to explore with regard to AI and related cultural phenomena.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago (9 children)

    So when my priest raped me and the church protected him, that was an example of the ethical views and compassion and respect for human dignity you're talking about?

    I guess I always have more to learn from this amazing institution, like how I'm an abomination for being queer.

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  • [–] 6 points 5 months ago

    I am sorry you had gone through that experience. The only church that illuminates at all is the one we can set on fire :')

    PS. This thread can easily spin on another reiteration of the arguments around "separating the art from the artist". That text on AI may have a certain sympathy to some.. I haven't read it. After this post, I thought "maybe I should?". Thanks to your comment I got centered back in my perspective: "nah. the pope can say whatever he wants to. I won't be his supporter nor audience."

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  • [–] -4 points 5 months ago (6 children)

    you are not whoever told you this was doing the work of Satan

    all of us are God's creations, and God doesnt make mistakes

    your sins do not define you, the crucifixion set you free of them. Have faith in Christ.

    And may I ask for your diocese or archdiocese? Have you reported him to the police yet? I am incredibly sorry that happened to you

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  • [–] 7 points 5 months ago (4 children)

    The Pope (yes this one your precious Leo) calls me an abomination because I have had bottom surgery.

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    "The idea of promoting gender ideology is confusing because it seeks to create genders that don't exist. So God created man and woman, and the attempt to confuse ideas from nature will only harm families and people"

    https://www.npr.org/2025/05/09/nx-s1-5393705/pope-leo-stance-issues-lgtbq-climate-women-politics

    Deadly ignorance.

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  • [–] 0 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    im sorry, I dont see the word abomination here. It is harmful, but he didn't call it an abomination

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  • [–] 13 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    Is this the beginning of the Butlerian Jihad?

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  • [–] 7 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    This might be the first time I agree with a Pope.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago* (1 child)

    Ok but no servitors either? Right? Right....

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago* (13 children)

    Since the Catholic church now owns more land than anybody else on Earth (170 million acres), perhaps the Pope can grace us all by paying property taxes from this point onward? The church's unimaginable wealth should be able to cover it... everybody else manages it somehow.

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  • [–] 26 points 5 months ago (5 children)

    Since the Catholic church now owns more land than anybody else on Earth (170 million acres)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_lands

    Federal lands are lands in the United States owned and managed by the federal government.

    The federal government manages about 640 million acres (2.6 million km2) of land in the United States...

    I'd also guess that the Russian and Canadian governments are up there.

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  • [–] 9 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    And the farthest west you go, the more the federal government owns lands. In some states like Nevada, the state only owns a small portion of their state land.

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago

    This caused a lot of problems when the state courts tried to protect Native American lands being leveled by the Trump admin because of his bullshit wall but the federal government just outright ignored them.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago*

    That's not anybody! I will be more specific, the Catholic church owns more land than any other private organization on Earth, but yes governments own more, and can seize land from the Catholics, too. It's happened before.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    Fun, semi-related fact: the Mormons own approximately 2% of Florida.

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    Yes, they had a late start, Catholic church has been around for over a thousand years, Mormons need to catch up.

    Still, they are doing rather well with around 2 million (sources vary) acres, the fifth largest landowner in USA. That's very impressive, not paying taxes helps them a great deal financially.

    Ask L. Ron Hubbard

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago (1 child)

    Are enough people going to church nowadays to warrant the big cash flows, as in the past? Went home to a family reunion last year and my aunt/uncles 8 children were raised catholic and went to church every Sunday. Discovered none of the kids, or their kids, go to church anymore.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago

    They're losing membership, but they have been unimaginably wealthy since the Middle Ages, they'll be fine. Not paying taxes helps, of course.

    (that's just for the USA, they could be gaining membership elsewhere)

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  • [–] -1 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    what? the vatican is larger than the US? aahahahahahahahahaha

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  • [+] -7 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    While we are regulating concepts, I wonder if anyone has tried regulating religions or economic styles.

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  • [–] 0 points 5 months ago

    I thought that at this point everyone calls him Gandalf.

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  • [+] -9 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    Cult leader in white robe writes about stuff he doesn't understand.

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