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[–] 37 points 5 months ago (3 children)
  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    But it only binds to the beta receptors, not alpha receptors much: https://nutritionfacts.org/video/who-shouldnt-eat-soy/

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  • [–] 17 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 child)

    Note to remember: an entrenched belief has never been changed with anything less than a primary source, and even then it's rare.

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  • [–] 35 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (7 children)

    Before a lengthy discussion takes off: red meat causes colon cancer. And it is a climate killer. And the cows don’t like the entire idea either.

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  • [–] 8 points 5 months ago* (5 children)

    Okay but what if I'm an accellerationist who hates climate wants suffering and hates the taste and texture of meat do I have to eat it or what

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  • [–] 7 points 5 months ago

    Counterpoint I want as much estrogen as possible :3

    (yes ik neither milk nor soy will give me enough I need estrodoil)

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  • [–] 23 points 5 months ago (6 children)

    I pointed this out and just got "nu uh" and "well the plants have more, and it does affect you!"

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago*

    tbf you’d need to drink a fuckton of milk for it to meaningfully feminize you lol (by my calculations, more than 900000 glasses a day, but i may be wrong on the details)

    same goes for soy milk, really. even if phytoestrogens had an effect you’d need to drink ungodly amounts of milk to see anything, especially if you don’t also take antiandrogens

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  • [+] -6 points 5 months ago (4 children)

    Well i like it, stop preaching.

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  • [–] 11 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    Don't know what to tell you, you're in a vegan community

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  • [–] 5 points 5 months ago

    So uh, what are the effects of this cow Estrogen? I can imagine it is not so straight-forward as it seems, and has unfortunate side-effects.

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  • [–] 16 points 5 months ago (3 children)
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    Soy may have protein, but boy does it taste like shit. Pulses, lentils, legumes, even just wheat is better in my opinion.

    But textured soy, prepared in the chaap fashion, is fucking delicious. Chicken does not even come close.

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  • [–] 16 points 5 months ago

    This comment section is full of "cow-tits-sucking-contest enjoyers". Be aware of that.

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    Has this conversation ever happened between two different people?

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  • [–] 13 points 5 months ago (8 children)
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  • [+] -11 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (4 children)

    Give me a break on that. We watch videos all the time of different animals cross-nursing. Puppies feeding on momma cat's teats. Kitties nursing momma dog teat's.

    Even humans breastfeeding other mammals.

    That whole "not your mom" smacks of caste purism that doesn't represent reality. It is an adaptive advantage for the whole class mammals to share milk.

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  • [–] 25 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    You do realize though, that this is a completely different situation? In one case the milk is given voluntarily to a baby.

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  • [–] 16 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (7 children)

    Phytoestrogens absolutely bind to estrogen receptors and do affect the body. While not as potent, it still mimics estrogen.

    The comparison here is like saying psilocin doesn't bind to serotonin receptors because it isn't serotonin.

    Since any other reference probably wouldn't work here, have one from one of those holistic medicine places: https://denverholisticmedicine.com/blog/2018/5/17/phytoestrogens-friend-or-foe

    You shouldn't need to spread misinformation to promote a hobby.

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  • [–] 25 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    I agree with your first point and I really dislike the amount of misinformation flowing around on both sides, but spending even a little time online will show that is just humans being humans on any topic.

    Since any other reference probably wouldn't work here, have one from one of those holistic medicine places

    I’m not sure if I’m reading it right, but are you saying that people here, so vegans, don’t trust normal scientific evidence and are only here to reinforce their beliefs by excluding proper evidence? That sounds kind of patronising and implies people are only vegan because of their biased world view instead of proper ethics and science.

    […] to promote a hobby.

    This also sounds dismissive of veganism and rude towards people that try their best to reduce harm in a part of their life. Vegans do it because they see it as necessary to live ethically consistent. This is not something done for ✨fun✨.

    I would recommend leaving these unnecessary remarks out of your comments if you want to address misinformation such as in this post more effectively while also coming off more respectful.

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  • [–] 7 points 5 months ago

    We all know science understanding can only happen when you eat brains and plants don't have brains but I shouldn't expect a vegan to understand that since they haven't eaten any brains recently

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  • [+] -9 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    You're defending a patronizing meme and demanding respect where there was none to begin with.

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  • [–] 8 points 5 months ago*

    I’m not defending the meme at all. I agreed with the point immediately in the first sentence. I just interpreted the tone of some remarks to be a bit condescending and gave a recommendation based on my opinion on that. Do with it what you want. I’m not here to force any view onto you.

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  • [–] 12 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    https://nutritionfacts.org/video/who-shouldnt-eat-soy/

    Please take a look at this. If you are genuinely concerned with health, and nutrition and are wanting to base your ideas in science. You'll realize that you are the one spreading misinformation.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago

    Not me injecting soy sauce into my ass cheek and chasing it with a spironolactone

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  • [+] -28 points 5 months ago (14 children)

    This along with the comments only reinforced my impression that the point of veganism is to feel bigger and better than everyone else.

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  • [–] 12 points 5 months ago* (1 child)

    Does it though, or is this just your canned response when someone challenges one of your views?

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  • [–] -3 points 5 months ago

    I'm all for my views being challenged. Vegetarianism is perfectly fine for me. It's a sensible, more environmentally conscious and healthy lifestyle (whether intermittent or not). Veganism, on the other hand, is an ideology I don't support. It's rigid and inherently elitist. Whether intended or not, it stokes fundamentalism and fanaticism (as in the examples I've mentioned in another post), and also does not provide all the essential nutrients humans need (according to WHO, Warwick Medical school, Gibbs, Capuccio etc). My view of veganism is based on learning everything I can about what veganism is and deciding that this is something I do not support.

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  • [–] 23 points 5 months ago (8 children)
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  • [–] 19 points 5 months ago* (2 children)

    Cherry picked examples of people doing individual things rather than what Veganism actually means.

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