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And scientific study is unethical... How?
My brother, how many examples do you need? Without mentioning the 30s and 40s, look at the Tuskegee Experiment where men were given syphilis intentionally and withheld treatment to study it's spread in black populations. Or the San Francisco Operation Sea-Spray when dangerous bacterial were sprayed over the entire city to study it's effects on the population. Ethical frameworks exist to prevent people from harming others in the pursuit of data, because if they aren't prevented they will. I order to prevent this harm from being done, a clearly defined set of principles must be stated and written down so that everyone involved can have the same understanding when designing and approving studies.
Yes. Those are examples of science being done unethically. Science itself is a process that is ethically neutral so it can be used in both good and bad ways. That doesn't make it unethical by nature like the original post claims it is.
Scientific study is by nature unethical because one must do unethical things in it's pursuit. We have ethical frameworks around Scientific Study for a reason, and it isn't because it was doing fine without those frameworks.
Why do you think that asking questions, making a hypothesis, testing that hypothesis and writing down the results is unethical?
Why do you think the context of the testing doesn't matter?
You said "science", not any specific type or category of study, so if you mean a specific school of science is unethical you should make that distinction.
Yes, because context matters. Exceptions don't make the rule, and speaking generally about things is allowed when they are related.
If you want to get into the semantics feel free. My statement is broad because it is a "shower thought".
This isn't debate club.
This isn't debate club.
If people aren't suppose to discuss and possibly disagree, why post? What do you think is the purpose of the showerthoughts community?
If people aren’t suppose to discuss and possibly disagree, why post?
I am open to discussion and disagreement. Look around the thread and tell me how many opening comments you see promoting discussion or civil disagreement.
What do you think is the purpose of the showerthoughts community?
To share "Shower thoughts".
Crazy concept I know.
I see a bunch of people posting civil and reasonable issues with the thinking behind your shower thought, and then you replying in an immature and disingenuous manner. I think the contrasting upvotes / downvotes in your comments vs everyone elses suggests that my interpretation is shared by the wider community.
I almost didn't comment because I thought from your behaviour it was obvious trolling, and there's no point reasoning with trolls. But looking through your post history, you seem like you're generally posting on good faith, so I thought I'd try and explain that you do not need to react so defensively to legitamate discussion and disagreement.
A shower thought doesn't need to be factually correct to be interesting, but when you post a pretty extreme take on a serious and sensitive subject, it isn't surprising that people are going to clarify where you've gone wrong.
This isn't a serious or sensitive topic, and I engaged people as they engaged me. If you actually looked at the thread you would see me engage like a jerk when people engaged me in bad faith, and engaged in good faith conversation with those who engaged in good faith.
Go police someone else. I never asked for your opinion.
Yes, because context matters. Exceptions don't make the rule, and speaking generally about things is allowed when they are related.
So what is the exception here? You said, and I quote, "science is by nature unethical". So you're saying any experimental methodology in any school of science exploring any number of completely benign things is somehow unethical.
This isn't debate club.
I see you're new to the internet.
Found the psychopathic scientist!
Don't excuse a Nazi with mental disorders. Who do you think a person like this would choose to be unethical with? his parents? No probably the people he hates.
This is incredibly ignorant, and you should be ashamed of yourself.
Says the guy who thinks Mengele had a point.
I never said that. You have a reach like Mr. Tickle.
Have you ever asked a Scientist how they feel about the impacts of ethical frameworks on their study?
this is like the shit i would say when i was 12, i am assuming the same about you
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