They have been trying to murder the US and EU auto industry and dumping biblical shittons of money into battery technology. the EU and the US aren't trying to compete.

Its still an advancement for all mankind, even if my countries leadership wont let me have one.

Actually it’s the other way around.

The internet is all about “China Bad” so calling it China Battery is a way to depreciate this obviously positive discovery.

Sodium ion batteries are already in cars in China, this iteration is even safer. You should read the article.

These batteries are already in production cars. Have been for a while. If you don’t have access to them it’s because of your regressive protectionist government.

Na+ batteries are really cool tech, and with a few more iterations of R&D they can potentially replace Li+ batteries, removing the need for rare earth elements that are toxic to people and the environment, dangerous to extract, and more often than not extracted by child slave labor (such as in Xinjiang and Congo).

It doesn't matter how you feel about China, although framing Na+ as "China's battery" is problematic for other reasons.

This is recycled I read about about this last year in the same kind of context on Reddit.

Separately though I have read there are hundreds of chemical combinations that produce electricity and only a handful have been researched for batteries.

"China Battery!" typically trips everyone's "Fake News! Evil Company! Communists Killed 100 Billion People!" alarm

My point is that if they have less energy density, they aren't a particularity great choice for EVs, as the increased battery size to get the same capacity makes the whole thing much heavier, requiring even more battery to move it.

I guess for like short range vehicles, it might be fine, but at least around here, thats gunna be a pretty tough sell, because everything is spread out.

It can’t really make EVs safer if its not being used for them due to the drawbacks, is all.

I guess they suggested, that the batteries won't be used in EVs, as long as their capacity is significantly lower.

They should be the default for solar installations and grid-level storage, but are too new.

They can also replace lead-acid batteries for many applications.

Lithium will still rule microelectronics and wearables, but all lower density stuff should switch to sodium.

That being said, for cold environments like Scandinavia and the US Midwest & canada, sodium ion works better in both cold and heat swings than Lithium variants that it might be worth the tradeoff in capacity because in the long cold months, the reduced capacity and performance of lithium chemistries would completely close the gap anyways.

I would love this for my home, as well as at a smaller scale for my homelab, and even potentially things like power tools.

Just recently a friend doing a home reno project had one of their drill batteries achieve thermal runaway, fortunately while they were home. Made me really think twice about the pile of tools in my garage.

I'd trade in just about every portable-scale Li-ion battery I own for a slightly less energy dense but safer alternative.

Sodium chemistry works in cold temps, lithium does not.

Idk about that. Electric cars have been half the price to drive and people still buy gas cars due to the 'inconvenience' of long charge times on road trips.

the chinese invented gunpowder centuries ago

the same people that invented fireworks (thing that is set on fire and goes boom) now actively research/made the safe batteries (things that DON'T set on fire AND don't go boom)

See the "working better in lower temperatures" is what im interested in. I would love an EV if we had the infrastructure to support it, but as they are right now there is little incentive to build the infrastructure because it's often too cold where I live and everything is so far apart.

Than my information was out of date because the in formation I had sodium was around 140w an lithium around 250w so not half but a large gap. But with the range anxiety most people already have I wonder if 30% less available power will be acceptable for them. And as I said before solid state Lithium should be a massive change and allow electric cars to rival diesel for range.

Even immersing the car doesn't really stop it, it kind of just pauses the fire. When it's surfaced again and starts to dry it tends to self ignite again for a very long time. EV fires are extremely difficult to stop right now and the procedure usually boils down to "Let it burn itself out and keep everything around it from catching too."

It's a bit of an outdated way now. The newer way is to inject coolant directly into the batteries.

So does an airplane crash would be more horrifying than a car crash, but that doesn't change the fact that airplanes are safer.

Even so, any improvement is still good though