Euro-Office: European industry initiative launches office suite : BuyFromEU@europe.pub

[–] Glitterkoe@lemmy.world 8 points 7 months ago

They should move the project off of GitHub's slop farm

[–] troyunrau@lemmy.ca 5 points 7 months ago (6 children)

The legal battle between euro office and onlyoffice is interesting. I actually hope it goes to european courts. I suspect onlyoffice will win this one, but then everyone will abandon their code.

Simultaneously TDF and collabora are having a spat.

Interesting things afoot in the FOSS hosted office ecosystem. Prediction: a third option emerges -- clean room rewrite (maybe this is a good thing).

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[–] RobotToaster@mander.xyz 6 points 7 months ago* (1 child)

I suspect onlyoffice will win this one

I'm sceptical tbh, their interpretation of the AGPL seems questionable. The specific wording in the AGPL they're relying on for their logo preservation term is:

Requiring preservation of specified reasonable legal notices or author attributions in that material or in the Appropriate Legal Notices displayed by works containing it

IMO a logo isn't attribution, and even if it was there's no way it could be considered reasonable to require it if they don't allow you to use it.

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[–] anamethatisnt@sopuli.xyz 6 points 7 months ago

The ones the register talked to seem to agree with you
https://www.theregister.com/2026/04/02/eurooffice_forks_onlyoffice/

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[–] Ek-Hou-Van-Braai@piefed.social [S] 5 points 7 months ago (3 children)

I don't think OnlyOffice will win in court.

AGPL3 prevents you from adding restrictions.

In clause 7 3(b) they add a clause that you must keep their Logo etc. In the UI

The almost immediately in a follow up clause restrict anyone from using their Logo etc.

With those clauses, you can't fork the repo. Which adds a restriction, which is against AGPL3

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[–] troyunrau@lemmy.ca 1 point 7 months ago (2 children)

The problem with this is that OnlyOffice owns the copyright and used attribution agreements from any contributions. Meaning, as owners of the copyright, they are allowed to set the license. So if they applied the AGPL wrong, they aren't violating anyone else's copyright. If OnlyOffice has used someone else's AGPL code and then added these impossible restrictions, then I would agree.

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[–] Ek-Hou-Van-Braai@piefed.social [S] 1 point 7 months ago (1 child)

They took AGPL3 and added a clause to it under a section where you're allowed to add clauses.

However in AGPL3 it says you're not allowed to add restrictions.

So in their own liscence it says they are not allowed to add restrictions beyond a certain scope.

And then they break that rule.

So I'd say their extra clause, according to they liscence they released, is invalid

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[–] troyunrau@lemmy.ca 2 points 7 months ago

If they're the copyright holder, they are allowed to use any license they want. Including a modified AGPL. It's up to the users to understand what license they're getting the software under. In this case, it is a modified-AGPL.

This is like Qt when they used the modified GPL (Qt 2-3 era, before they went full LGPL). Qt was the copyright holder and can issue under terms they decide. Then it is up to the users to decide if those terms are acceptable. KDE decided these terms were acceptable, but some other users did not.

However, if a user decided to ignore the additional clauses in Qt and treat it as unmodified GPL, they would have been in violation of the license. Because Qt was the the copyright holder and can dictate terms. Qt would have won the court case. It never happened, so it wasn't tested, and that's ancient history now.

But here OnlyOffice is in the same boat. They can dictate the terms, and a court can decide if a user is in adherence of those terms. There's no part of copyright law that OnlyOffice is violating here.

What will be up for legal debate is whether EuroOffice is willfully and maliciously violating it, or if they just interpreted differently. If the latter, then there will be a great deal of legalese. The real question will be: the AGPL as amended by OnlyOffice -- does it permit forking, and are forks subject to the same modified clauses.

I suspect OnlyOffice wins this one if it actually goes to court. Which will be super annoying from an end user perspective.

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[–] anamethatisnt@sopuli.xyz 1 point 7 months ago (4 children)

With how bloated nextcloud is with their docker aio mess I'm not thrilled to see them take the lead on this.

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[–] Ek-Hou-Van-Braai@piefed.social [S] 4 points 7 months ago (2 children)

I run mine using a helm chart in Kubernettes, it's running pretty smoothly

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[–] anamethatisnt@sopuli.xyz 2 points 7 months ago (1 child)

I can throw enough hw at it to get it up n running too, I just rather build my own suite of more single purpose software that I can tailor to my own needs. :)

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[–] Ek-Hou-Van-Braai@piefed.social [S] 2 points 7 months ago

I only use nextcloud as a Drive, and I use deck.

So it's fairly easy to replace with alternatives, or build your own.

I considered not running it and looking for alternatives, but it's quite influential and big in the FOSS world, so I like using it and seeing how it progresses and how it is to use

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