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[–] 214 points 7 months ago (19 children)

Won't be any different. It's just a matter of time before Android goes the same

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  • [–] 127 points 7 months ago (17 children)

    GrapheneOS is Android and declines to introduce that

    Not sure when you'll be labelled a terrorist by using a privacy respecting OS though...

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  • [–] 51 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

    By the way our corporate dictatorships are speed-running totalitarianism, I'd say before the decade is done. I will choose to be an antifa terrorist before I accept fascism.

    This is actually the least invasive form of age verification for Apple users. Apple already has a credit card on file for something like 90+% of the user base.

    The alternative the political whore class are promoting is apps individually verifying with a multitude of data brokers "ID providers".

    This is the illusion of choice under the surveillance capitalism of corporate dictatorships. Rather than regulate capitalists, the gov colludes with them to exploit and enslave consumers.

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  • [–] 38 points 7 months ago (5 children)
  • [–] 18 points 7 months ago (4 children)

    Thanks for that input!
    Just came back from a business trip in Spain.

    Maybe I missed it in the article, but do you know, how they do it?
    I guess on the phone network level, my phone isn't shouting "GrapheneOS here!!".
    So how do they profile me?
    Only after they already control me somehow or...?

    Still, this is getting more and more Orwellian

    Hopefully my Jolla will be to exotic in the first period, but on the long term, this all is a really worrying development with the aim of mass surveillance

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  • [–] 7 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    They profile you by looking at you. Cop sees you use your grapheneOS phone and thinks you’re a drug dealer. There’s no tech involved. They just use it as a sign, same way they’ve used hoodies, skin colour, or nationality to suspect you of something.

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  • [–] 9 points 7 months ago* (1 child)

    How should that work?
    My GrapheneOS Android doesn't look any different than any other Android - and they'd need to look at my screen while walking by or something.

    They can't even see the exact Android version without trying to access it - or having me show them explicitly my "About phone" screen or something

    I really don't see how that should work in practice

    If they pick me out and want to scan my phone, then it could be used against me, that they can't access my data.
    But hey, that's what GrapheneOS is here for, to don't allow anyone access to my data, who shouldn't have access

    So, in practice this is not really relevant or do I misunderstand something?

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  • [–] 5 points 7 months ago (5 children)

    Buddy if I haven't been labeled a terrorist yet after the things I've publicly said I am never gonna be labeled a terrorist.

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago (4 children)

    You don't know, in what list you maybe already show up
    Just because police hasn't knocked on your door, doesn't mean, that in case all that shit will be held up against you

    Who knows, who is already monitored, because just of a drunken or honest comment, that icks someone the wrong way

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  • [–] 5 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    Its so dumb because unless you specifically type /s you can never tell if someone is serious online. Literally all context gets lost on social media. We used to allow humans grace before mass surveillance came along.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago (2 children)

    Yep, "they" can just pull out a comment of context and put you into some kind of group

    As you said, stupid it is

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  • [+] 2 points 7 months ago (2 children)
  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 child)

    How can they control that I'm accessing my own Wireguard or company VPN?
    Or does this only affect commercial (or free) VPN services one could use?

    The technical illiteracy of politicians is still astounding to me

    Edit: and how would they control TOR?
    I could potentially use a TOR to VPN chain. Albeit slow, it would still work.
    Registering with ID for TOR would be the most annoying amusing thing I've heard in a long time...
    (Don't know why autocorrect didn't like the word 'amusing'. Had to finally type it out. Seems not much fun stuff happening in my life ;⁠-⁠))

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  • [–] 18 points 7 months ago

    Mainstream Android will likely go the same path but there'll also probably be 10s of workaround and forks straight up saying fuck you, bitch.

    You won't have any other option on iOS other that to take the boot up yo a.

    And you'll probably use the usual "most people won't do that, tho". These are kids we are talking about and have you ever told a determined kid that they couldn't do something?

    This kowtowing the corporations and governments is how we got here and fuck people who bend the knee before even trying.

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  • [–] 37 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    I am more happy than ever with my GrapheneOS phone. Especially after they refused to include age verfication I recommend everyone to switch to grapheneos or any other custom ROM android

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  • [–] 30 points 7 months ago

    GrapheneOS baby

    Kicked my 15pro

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  • [–] 25 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    I will switch to Android

    And you think that Google won't implement user tracking? It's literally their reason for existing.

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  • [–] 23 points 7 months ago (6 children)

    Yeah but then you'll have a green bubble

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  • [–] 21 points 7 months ago (5 children)

    It's amazing how apple managed to get Americans took care about that. Meanwhile no one else cares. No one uses iMessage in Europe or Asia.

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago (4 children)

    Nobody over the age of 12 cares in the US either

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago (3 children)
  • [–] 0 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    Imagine caring about what people think when they're obsessed with what software you use to text. I'm just fucking annoyed so much of my family uses iphone, and despite being able to be part of their group chat, there's no way to use RCS or some other message format better than fucking SMS/MMS.

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  • [–] 67 points 7 months ago (10 children)

    bullshit. no they won't. stock android also gonna get age verification, and is considered bad by apple users, plus its a different ecosystem. stop sharing shit articles like this.

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  • [–] 13 points 7 months ago (9 children)

    I might be a minority but the week liquid glass hit my phone I ordered a pixel, sold my iphone. iPad, apple watch, and air tags that weekend.

    I don't know if that compares as one is a ui/function overhaul and the other is a data field for access to things.

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  • [–] 8 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    No idea what liquid glass is, but that's a heavy reaction.

    What are you sporting now?

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  • [–] 5 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    It’s a tweak to the UI. Not perfect, but I barely even notice a difference from old UI. People just like to complain.

    The clear icons are ugly, but you don’t have to use them, so it doesn’t really matter.

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago

    In the apple basic apples they hid data that was normally visible and showed data that was irrelevant to the current function or plain redundant. Having to notifications un readable due to the transportnt was awful UX design.

    Overall it comes off as if an intern was told to update the UX and had no per-review when deployed.

    I loved my apple ecosystem system and wish I didn't change but the functions that have been slightly adjusted over 10+ years were turned upside down in one patch.

    The complaint is justified as you look around online very few people outside of tech bloggers had anything positive to say about liquid glass.

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  • [–] 5 points 7 months ago (4 children)

    We all know that every other manufacturer is gonna copy apple, exactly how basically overnight everyone switched to the flat icons of iOS 5

    Example: Google has already redesigned the Google maps icon on Android to look more "glassy"

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  • [–] 50 points 7 months ago (19 children)

    I’m dabbling switching to GrapheneOS. Apple was the lesser of (obvious) evils compared to Google, but that’s becoming less true daily.

    I don’t think I can make it my primary device yet, still need to de-cloud a bunch of services, but it’s very likely my next device won’t be an iPhone.

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  • [–] 25 points 7 months ago (12 children)

    I'm running GrapheneOS since about 2 years now and I'm more than happy.
    Didn't had any real issues with it.
    Art the start Android Auto didn't work, but it does now - although I don't really use it.

    I have Google play service stuff installed, but sandboxed.
    And my banking apps work just fine.

    Friend of mine made the switch a few months ago and haven't heard of any complaints either.

    Can highly recommend it :⁠-⁠)

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  • [–] 6 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    I'd use Android Auto + Sandboxed Google Play more if Android Auto allowed NewPipe, OsmAnd and other FOSS apps to be added to the dashboard.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago

    I somehow also get a lower resolution Google maps, when using Google Auto.
    That was the reason I don't really use it.

    For music and stuff, I just use Bluetooth

    But good luck having Google add something as NewPipe to be allowed with Android Auto ;⁠-⁠)

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    My current phone is old and just recently my bank app stopped working because the phones android version is too far behind. Is there any way to load Graphene OS on an android phone, and would it maybe help me get around having to use the website for my banking now?

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    What about hotel keycard apps?

    We use them when traveling because SO hates talking to people,lol. Or when its 3 am.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (2 children)

    I have never used those - didn't even know those exist

    Usually I need the key card anyway to active the power in the room... Which sucks

    So, can't say anything about that, but it's just usual Android, so I don't see much issues here.
    Banking apps are usually just more strict with which system they support, so that was my primary worry

    Edit: but as I don't really know about those hotel keys apps, does this mean I have to install an app per hotel (chain), which probably tries to grab some personal data again, or is this just some key, I can use in some FOSS app?

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago (1 child)

    Great for shy people ha,

    Thats crazy ive never been in a hotel with no power until you swipe.

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago

    At least in Europe, there is often a slot in which you need to put in the key card the hotel provided (or often any card, because it's just a switch and doesn't check the card), so you don't waste energy, while you're not in the room
    Said slot for the card is just at the wall after you open the door. So you usually have power, before you're even really inside, because you just reach in and out the card in place.
    It's a bit annoying, but that's pretty much it.

    As the room should be empty, when there is no card in the slot, I'm not sure how that makes it worse for shy people though o⁠:⁠-⁠)

    Needing to install an app and trusting my phone to be charged and functioning, when I want to enter my room, seems much more stressful for me ;⁠-⁠)

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago (1 child)

    I'm mainly waiting for them to add banking apps. My bank is a small local credit union so it might be a while.

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago

    I'm using my banking apps (business and private) without issues

    It's not about GrapheneOS adding those apps, it's about the bank allowing their apps to run on that Android device/version.
    (Or someone correct me here, but that also makes more sense to me, than a whitelist on GrapheneOS side)

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  • [+] 17 points 7 months ago* (4 children)
  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    The problem is graphene is entirely dependent on one arm of that duopoly though.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    Buy used. Google meets their security standards.

    Or just wait for the Motorolas with preinstalled Graphene. We're unsure of when they're coming though.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago

    My response concerned the duopoly though. Graphene is still dependent on google regardless. They can't maintain all of android themselves even if they tried. So it's the best of a bad situation but does nothing to alleviate the overall problem.

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  • [–] 17 points 7 months ago

    I will switch to Android

    I'll believe it when I actually see it

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  • [–] 42 points 7 months ago (5 children)

    Imagine being so horrible at your job as a “journalist” or an editor or a publication that you would allow an article like this to be written under your name or publication without ever mentioning the fact that age verification is being pushed by governments, not phone and computer companies (they are trying to fight its implementation), and that it is equally coming to ALL platforms (yes, even Linux) – as required by law. If you want to fight this ridiculous age verification shit, petition (and vote out) your government. I would also argue that this author and publication should be permanently blacklisted for purposely publishing this obviously biased and misleading misinformation.

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  • [–] 9 points 7 months ago (4 children)

    'Even Linux' you say? Absolutely wrong. Linux is the kernel, and this is what is allowing some Linux distros to flip the finger at this bullshit laws. As for android, yeah, 'tech-giant' controlled android OSs will have to comply, but alternatives like GrapheneOS won't, and most likely will not follow this rule. We have options, people that don't want to use them are welcome to keep doing as they're told. While I get that the options are 'comply or leave this market' for OS developers, whether small groups of nerds or trillion dollars behemoths, its still a choice, Apple made theirs.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    Linux distros without age verification will be prohibited from distributing to regions where this law is enacted. Of course, circumventing the law is also possible, but that leaves either the project – or you – open to prosecution. As I said, your fight is with the politicians pushing through this ignorant law, not with the people, companies, or projects that are forced to comply.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago* (2 children)

    That's one of the problems. Why are you mixing people in with companies? The largest OS distributors already have this in place, those 'companies' already have this in place. Who do you think has been lobbying for this to be pushed? All of those giants benefit from this by pushing undue strain on small developers, which in turn tightens their grip on the users. Yeah, all the fucking politicians are to blame, as are all those companies as well. I'd this will cause projects to just remove access from those jurisdictions, good. Maybe people in those areas will help vote out the same politicians that bent over for a few bucks for this (unlikely though). Open your eyes, it's not politicians against tech, it's the powerful against us. I'm glad GrapheneOS decided to just not comply. And there are way more open projects taking the same stand. There's still brave people out here.

    So, I stand by what I said. I made my choice, you also get to make yours.

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  • [–] 23 points 7 months ago (6 children)

    Why don’t governments force parental responsibilities instead? We wouldn’t need all our data sitting there waiting for the next data breach.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    A bit of a dishonest question, but wouldn't that argument lead to minors being able to buy alcohol "for their parents"? We are now shifting the responsibility to the stores, not the parents.

    I have my reasons to think it's not a fair comparison, but I'll like to hear other's.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago (1 child)

    So you’d rather have everyone’s data subject to being exposed and your behaviour tracked, as opposed to parents looking after and paying some attention to their kids? Wow.

    Giving an iPad at your kids is not good for anyone. It’s easy though.

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  • [–] 11 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    Jeez, every platform and company is going to that ID and face recognition crap. Should we say goodbye to our little bit of privacy and anonymity on the Internet?

    Why’s Apple even doing this? They’re not a social media platform to begin with.

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  • [–] 9 points 7 months ago

    Facebook had lobbied so that the age verification is handled by the device rather than the application. The applications then need to check against this device API and conform accordingly.

    This ends up cheaper for Facebook and opens up for future legislation to embed similar shit in the OS for companies to exploit.

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  • [–] 29 points 7 months ago

    In fact, if they have the know-how, they should switch to something else. Android nowadays isn't much different from iOS, and I'm pretty sure that what was included in iOS will eventually land on Android too.

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  • [–] 41 points 7 months ago (10 children)

    iPhone users 🚶‍♂️‍➡️ switching to android

    Android users 🚶‍♂️switching to iPhone

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  • [–] 39 points 7 months ago* (9 children)

    Android users 🚶‍♂️switching to iPhone GrapheneOS

    Switching to iPhone would just be objectively worse in literally every way

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  • [–] 27 points 7 months ago* (5 children)

    I switched to iPhone after being on android since kitkat. Worst decision I made. Basic functions of the device don’t work/crash out. There’s seemingly no global ‘back’. Each app can dictate how back works. So I’ve found myself having to remember which apps use the swipe back feature and which don’t. They brought in the ai autocorrect stuff which completely changes words that I type. The glass ui stuff is horrific. Some text is unreadable due to the transparency effect.

    Just terrible times all around. Looking to go to Graphene on my previous pixel phone next…

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  • [–] 14 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (3 children)

    I had to spend a lot of time interacting with someone else's iPhone recently while traveling, and the experience was shocking. Can't believe how bad Apple has gotten.

    EDIT: LOL at the downvotes, enjoy your overpriced privacy nightmare that lacks basic, standard features or usability. It was extremely clear that the entire UX was shamelessly designed to limit you from doing anything that does not lock you in further to the Apple ecosystem

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  • [–] -4 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    They always have been this bad, if anything they've gotten (slightly) better over the years.

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  • [–] 34 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    Lol sure, like android is not gonna do the same

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    [–] 13 points 7 months ago

    I always assumed that they were collecting that data from your contacts list already. I'd like to know how many people are actually affected by this or needed to "verify" their age after updating to 26.4

    Also, switching to Android isn't going to help with this.

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  • [–] 18 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    But they already switched to Android when Apple removed the headphone jack. Oh wait, that's right - nobody did.

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