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[–] 35 points 8 months ago* (1 child)

They can't get all computing devices. If desktop PCs are done for, I'll go to Raspberry Pis. There's plenty of embedded and industrial computer systems that can be repurposed to use as a general purpose computer.

The cyberpunk dystopia has arrived, prepare your tools and defenses accordingly.

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  • [–] 24 points 8 months ago (7 children)

    Don't buy computers with locked parts. Buy computers with non locked parts. Problem solved.

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  • [–] 21 points 8 months ago (6 children)

    It's not that easy earlier all phones had unlocked or unlockable bootloader but now only few do. Even xiomi once hailed as cheap phone for custom ROMs now has unlockable bootloader

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  • [–] 5 points 8 months ago (5 children)

    now only few do

    That's the one you buy then if that's what matters to you.

    To be clear I'm not saying it's "easy" or that the situation is "good", only that there are choices and if we as consumers can support them, and as voted can support politicians that do make legislation to protect them (or at least not make others mandatory) then we are still going in the right direction, even if most people don't care.

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  • [–] 7 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    That's the false premise..if we just buy the one which isn't enshittified to hell, there's less and less options for "enthusiasts" and secondly, most users are fucked, because they just need something that works.

    The only way to prevent keep the devices open is via regulatory oversight, forcing politicians to see the relevance of open platform / devices and create rules accordingly. And even that is a massive uphill battle...

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago (2 children)

    That's the one you buy then if that's what matters to you.

    Yeah. But where can I find a phone with Qi, reverse-Qi, and a 3.5mm jack? Other than the old one I have now, that is.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago

    I bet if you replace 3.5mm jack by USB-C and use an adapter you'll have a lot of choices. Also Qi isn't efficient so unless you have a specific use case beyond "I just want to drop it on my desk" then relying on USB-C again is better.

    ... that being said yes I understand but unfortunately one has to fight not just everything they want but a realistic compromise, otherwise you can check https://www.crowdsupply.com/ and if it's not there propose your own project, maybe there is a market for it.

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  • [–] 41 points 8 months ago

    That's what SecureBoot and TPM paved the way for.

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  • [–] 17 points 8 months ago

    Amazing how governments opposed to MAGA/US fascism, ensure the tools for fascism. I will choose "illegal" phone, computer, 3d printer.

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  • [–] 17 points 8 months ago (5 children)

    Nah computing as a service will be for the masses and mainstream user who doesn't care, and they will have age verification and all the "security" measures included. The custom build and DIY setups won't change at all. Any Linux / BSD distro can just be hosted in a territory that doesn't require these "security" measures, then anybody who knows how to use them will be able to continue unaffected.

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  • [–] 8 points 8 months ago (4 children)

    hosted in a territory that doesn’t require these “security” measures

    And then what do we do once everyone does these measures? There will be nowhere to run.

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    there is around 193 countries in the world. i dont think every single one will make it s legal requirement. I think we should be ok at least for a few decades anyway.

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    there is around 193 countries in the world

    All of which are out of my reach. Lol.

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  • [–] 14 points 8 months ago

    I don't think it'll come globally at all - even the most crazy laws I've read so far target "only" OS vendors.

    If it comes it'll be regional only as manufacturers will be hell bent on not losing revenue in the rest of the world.

    Keep in mind that age verification needs to be done on a local level as there is no universal level of what is an acceptable method.

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  • [–] 13 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    Legit concern & lots of good comments on the device side of things so I'll just toss in that another perhaps far easier approach for fascist regimes would be to force telcos, ISPs to permit online access only once registered, similar to a hotel guest WiFi. Only of course more rigidly enforced & monitored.

    Thus removing the device itself from the equation, and using infrastructure as the chokepoint.

    Future generations are largely doomed by the apathy of the "we have nothing to hide" folks of today, or those who buy into the its "for the children" movement.

    Horrifying for the generations to come, as it all advances from multiple angles to 1984 reality 

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago

    Future generations are largely doomed by the apathy of the "we have nothing to hide" folks of today, or those who buy into the its "for the children" movement.

    Horrifying for the generations to come, as it all advances from multiple angles to 1984 reality 

    This. Exactly.

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  • [–] 13 points 8 months ago*

    The EU wallet seems to expect the user to simply have an Android phone with Google Play services that passes Google Hardware Attestation, or alternatively an iOS phone, or apparently you're not a citizen: https://leminal.space/post/31858818/21120139

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  • [–] 13 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    The computers in the store, yes. I expect all computers in the store to be phones and the cell company will verify.

    Open Source computers will be more important. Might need to brush up on wire wrapping... (Implication being that chip supplies might become dedicated to only those manufacturers that lock the product down.)

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  • [–] 12 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    It used to be that similar (and equally bad) ideas were getting traction because of copyright law, e.g.: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consumer_Broadband_and_Digital_Television_Promotion_Act

    Now other excuses for the same thing have been invented. I wonder which will be next.

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  • [–] 10 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    I don't feel this push for locking us out of control over our own systems under the cover of "protecting the children with age verification" is anything more than a continued effort to secure a DRM-based hardware system for the MSFT OS and media companies. This smells just like their pushes in the past to steal control over hardware through legal channels. It's the same war we've been fighting for 30 years now.

    Read up on the Clipper Chip from the 90's. What's old is new again.

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  • [–] 12 points 8 months ago*

    Windows will probably become a thin client/cloud OS as MS is already making moves in that direction with Windows 365 thin clients that were recently announced, and the fact that Win12 could be subscription-based.

    I could easily see MS phasing out local Windows installs altogether in favor of a lower consumer-oriented Windows 365 subscription tier tied to the cheapest thin clients possible at some point.

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  • [–] 19 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    There will always be a couple companies going against the norm and make open devices. Or computers that are fully customizable IE just stick a different hard drive in there or whatever. I don't think this will ever happen, regardless.

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  • [–] 4 points 8 months ago

    Won't happen, mainly because of the fact that some motherboard manufacturers cheap out on OS-level firmware upgrade (looking at ya, MSI) and some motherboard manufacturers have shitty Secure Boot configuration just for Win11 to let users install it.

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  • [–] 4 points 8 months ago

    Does the age verification stuff matter for this? Microsoft, if they wanted to, could already lock down systems in this way.

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  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    Only if Microsoft acquires a major CPU chipmaker. There has to be a lot of vertical integration under one company, the way it is with Apple products. Otherwise there are other OS like Linux that comprise enough of the market to ensure there will always be an unlocked BIOS option.

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  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago

    I want to push back on this part:

    Only if Microsoft acquires a major CPU chipmaker.

    In the USA, and other parts of the world, a small number of Billionaires are buying up everything. A small number of wealthy people could each own a part of the supply chain and for it on the vast majority.

    For extra enforcement, add in a legal or cultural push for reporting or shunning violators through the media companies owned by that same group.

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago*

    They make their own ARM silicon for datacenters, hypothetically they could just scale that down for consumer devices and there's your vertical integration.

    Conversely if Apple ever wants to enter the datacenter market, they could scale their M-series silicon up to meet that industry's demands as well.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago

    Doesn't matter, Microsoft already sell computers, i.e. Surface. One can still buy computers from other manufacturers. They can buy an instance of the entire stack (pretty much as Apple did) and there would still be alternatives.

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago

    No. Because the information is user provided and unverified, so there’s no reason to lock anything down that could increase security. Once they want attestation, they need a third party service involved, in which case the device being part of the trust-chain doesn't make sense anymore.

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago

    Wouldn't surprise me.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago

    They just need to push for thin clients that rely on cloud computing as the prices for consumer hardware make it not affordable to own your stronger hardware.

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  • [–] 0 points 8 months ago

    I don't think the CA law requires your OS verify your age, just that it requests the age of your user account during setup and has an API to provide that age range to app stores.

    https://calmatters.digitaldemocracy.org/bills/ca_202520260ab1043

    I don't think it's any more of a privacy violation than passing UserAgents

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  • [–] -2 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (2 children)

    Yes. For example, on iOS It'll work like this once this is no longer "in error" https://www.theverge.com/tech/884306/apple-age-verification-uk-users-ios-26-4-beta

    I don't know about the new law in California, but here in the UK the age verification push is happening is because our young people are overwhelmingly left-wing and progressive, and get their news online and not from our captured legacy media, and the right-wing establishment doesn't like that, so they're trying to block young people from internet access.

    Edit: wtf is with the downvotes? Do y'all support this shit? Here are some sources to back up what I said:

    https://yougov.com/en-gb/trackers/voting-intention -

    In the UK: 49% of 18-24 year olds are voting for the Green party, highest of any party by far. 27% of 25-49 year olds are voting for the Greens, with only 19% for Reform (the far-right party).

    This trend reverses once you look at the age groups over 50, with 50-65 year olds favouring reform at 29% at Green's 16%, and over 65s favouring reform at 33% to Green's 6%.

    Furthermore, the other demographics factors like gender and even region(!) don't demonstrate such a clear correlation, and this is further confirmed by another recent poll done where the surveyed were asked to pick between a left-wing coalition and a right-wing one:

    Our elderly consume vastly more print and specifically television news than our young people - https://www.ofcom.org.uk/siteassets/resources/documents/research-and-data/online-research/adult-and-teen-news-consumption-survey/news-consumption-in-the-uk-2025-research-findings.pdf?v=400636

    See specifically figure 4 from page 9:

    This is very inconvenient for a primarily right-wing establishment. I could see similar dynamics playing out in California though i don't know enough to say for certain.

    Obviously I don't think this is the only reason that age verification is being implemented, especially as it's seemingly being done all around the globe all at once, and often companies with known links to Peter Thiel and Palantir and the defense sector are involved, such as with e.g. discord and Thiel did allegedly say he explicitly wants to make a surveillance state. Obviously countries like the UK have been speed running that goal for a while so, make of that what you will.

    There's also seemingly bi-partisan support for this issue from establishment parties, arising from tech ignorance of the boomer class and more genuine, and well-meaning concerns about the spread of misinformation from social liberals and progressives, especially where their country's young people are turning to far-right misinformation.

    I think the combination of these two factors is likely what is pushing the specific law OP is referring to in California, though this is just speculation as I'm not familiar with it's state legislature and their political makeup.

    The recent push for these sorts of laws in Europe also could be explained by the fact that those countries can use regulation as leverage in trade negotiations with an increasingly beligirent united states because they know that Trump's regime is beholden to the tech oligarchy that amassed around him - the same oligarchy who would stand to lose money if these regulations were implemented because they own the platforms primarily targeted by this.

    This last reason is further compounded by the fact that Elon Musk has genuinely been artificially promoting far-right content, including his own, on his platform, and he has been since he acquired it. Considering how many people use twitter, its a genuine risk to the political autonomy and democratic integrity of countries like France, which is also investigating twitter for the algorithm manipulation.

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  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago (1 child)
  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

    Dafuck? Are you saying this won't be the case? I mean, it's not exactly what OP asked but I think a real life functional example of OS-level age checks that already exists is a valuable contribution to the conversation. Do you disagree?

    Honestly feels like you're the "low effort troll" here here swarming a bot army for some votes. Blocked.

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  • [–] -3 points 8 months ago

    I pretty much don't care about how the future of laptops looks like. If you are stupid enough to buy that shit, you get what you asked for

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