Ben Saul says ‘rolling over’ after Israel and US attack is counterproductive for middle powers because it undermines rules-based order

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[–] 12 points 8 months ago

The foreign affairs minister, Penny Wong, endorsed the fresh war by stating that “Australia supports action to prevent Iran from obtaining a nuclear weapon and to prevent Iran from continuing to threaten international peace and security”.

More like Penny Wrong.

Less than a year ago, the Mango Mussolini said that his administration had successfully dismantled the Iran nuclear program completely and none of the imperial allies argued against that lie.

Now that it suits their agenda, though, Iran was suddenly minutes away from nuking Tel Aviv until Operation Erect Furry put a stop to it 🙄

As for "threatening international peace and security", that's just war hawk slang for "doing the things we do, but against us" and is trotted out every time the US wants an excuse to go commit some heinous war crimes

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  • [–] 6 points 8 months ago

    I'm extremely disappointed, but not surprised that the Australian government has toed this line

    I like Albo, but he has shown that his first priority is to keep the powerful players happy, rather than telling them to fuck off

    New Zealand was always good for staying strong, but under that revolting cunt Luxon, I don't know what will happen

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago

    Unlike Canadian pigfucker rulership, Australia depends on Straits of Hormuz for energy. For all rulerships, there is profit and political gain from "civility" of keeping the battle on the chessboard, where the king is just "a fake piece representing the leader" (the player) as opposed to playing chess with guns.

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    [–] 31 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    I am thoroughly embarrassed that Australia has supported this illegal war

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  • [–] 8 points 8 months ago

    This unilateral ego building exercise was blatantly unconstitutional.

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  • [–] 13 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    The chain of command is Israel > U.S.A. > U.K. > Australia

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  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    You left out the global elites.

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  • [–] 7 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    Can we find a word other than "elite"? I really don't feel they're elite, privileged billionaires, money dictators, Epstein class, rich evil cunts, I'm not sure just not elite.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago

    Perhaps our govt and others have stopped believing and holding to the rules-based order a long time ago. Give lip-service, yes. Do what is right by international and humanitarian law, no.

    You may be interested in this video of an interview with an Iranian academic educated in the West and ex-Israeli anti-Zionist writer and activist about the current situation (well, one day ago): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vcFD_9A_5Dg

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago

    That and Hawaiian pizza with pineapple slices. God man, I'll eat it but preferr pepperonchini cheese.

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  • [+] -7 points 8 months ago (5 children)

    I don’t have a problem with Australia supporting the US attack, Iran is run by an oppressive regime that kills their own people. Albo’s rhetoric of supporting the attack because Iran can’t have nuclear weapon’s is a tired excuse that is only less of a joke than if he said they had WMD’s.

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  • [–] 11 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    Iran is run by an oppressive regime that kills their own people

    Iran The USA is run by an oppressive regime that kills their own people… can you spot the difference?

    Thank Jebus those 100 school girls were saved by Israel and Murica

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  • [–] 5 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    How can you say that after the usa or israel murdered 148 people in an elementary school

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago

    Fair call, at the time I didn’t realise that had occurred. I thought they were taking out military targets, not carpet bombing cities. The people can’t rise up and overwhelm their oppressors if they’re dead.

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  • [+] -16 points 8 months ago (10 children)

    I support the people of Iran so obviously I cannot endorse this 'international law expert'

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  • [–] 9 points 8 months ago (9 children)

    You support israel. You put a heart instead of condemnation in a post sbout isrsel murdering over 100 kids in an elementary school

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  • [–] -3 points 8 months ago (8 children)

    iranian dictator cut off internet access and killed upwards of 30,000 protestors including thousands of students, men, women, children, and this was after constantly doing this for 10 years, he hung protesters in the centre square using tow trucks, they jailed 10’s of thousands and threatened to imprison 100,000 more and you said … nothing

    how long are you going to follow me around on lemmy begging for good boy points?

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  • [–] 6 points 8 months ago* (6 children)

    You are fine with the at least 70k palestinians murdered by the genocidial israel and enjoying israrl killing over 100 poor little girl in a school and you think I will be stupid enough to believe your BS. It is pretty clear that you enjoyed the regime murdering civilians because it allows you to express even more support for your beloved Israel

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  • [–] -3 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    Israel in the war with Hamas (which they did not start), and sad nature of the wars that civilians die. So 70k are not applied there. Same with Iran; attack on Iran was an act of war. No one targets these poor girls on purpose. They are just another tragic collateral. This is a main difference with the action of Iran’s government and the US. The US so far has not killed civilians intentionally (but does not give much fuck about their lives either).

    Will Iran and the world win if Iran gets a less murderous government? I guess it will.

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  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    Israel is stealing Palestinians land for 78 goodman year that's settler colonialism. There is nothing that justify settler colonialism . Israel and the usa bombed a fucking elementary girl school killing over 150 kids how the hell it that justifiable ? 83% of the Palestinians who got murdered are civilians this is clearly not collateral damage it is very intentional . They destroyed almost all agricultural field which means the population can no longer sustain itself. They are basically starving Palestinians

    https://www.972mag.com/israeli-intelligence-database-83-percent-civilians-militants/

    https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/5/26/more-than-95-percent-of-gazas-agricultural-land-unusable-un-warns

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  • [–] -2 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    Ok. What do you expect Jews to do when their enemy’s position is unmovable: “kill all Jews”? Israel defends itself. Fight or die. It is a war. There are plenty of Muslims living in Israel without problems, so the problem is not on the Israeli side. And why do you bring these poor girls as an argument? They have nothing to do with Palestine.

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  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago

    You are a big liar. From israeli source

    In 1884 the first Yemenites settled in Silwan and for 45 years lived peacefully and on very good terms with their Arab neighbors. It seemed that the people of Silwan, which was known to be a poor village, found common ground with the poor Jewish Yemenites that lived among them.

    Despite the attempt to depict the 1929 Arab Riot as a violent incident against the Jews in Silwan, it is clear that it was not the case. From a letter of gratitude that the Yemenite Jews sent to their Arab neighbors, we can learn about the devotion and benevolence that the Arabs have shown towards the Yemenites by undauntedly protecting them, and also about the amity and good neighborly relations that prevailed between the two communities.

    https://emekshaveh.org/en/yemenites

    Palestinian had a problem with zionists who was foreigners moving to palestine under pretext of being refugees when the plan was settler colonilism and ethenic cleansing

    after the formation of a large army in the wake of the establishment of the state, we will abolish partition and expand to the whole of Palestine - The terrorist and first prime minister of Israel Ben Gurion

    Ben gurion admited it they are rhe one eho was sating exterminate all palestinians from their land

    To occupy Gaza and the west bank they used the same dumb excuse russia used to occupy ukraine in 67

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