cross-posted from: https://hexbear.net/post/7804222

You can tell this is fake because the USA soldier would shoot the child as well

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US soldier to crying kid after killing his family:"Hey dont blame me, kid! Blame those politicians in Washington who send me here! Im a good guy, really. I just joined to get money to go to college"

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[–] 32 points 8 months ago* (1 child)

They already killed around 70+ children in a girls elementary school. So shooting the kid is accurate

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  • [–] 38 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (30 children)

    Don't blame me, I posted critical memes on Lemmy, I did all I could!

    Edit: I have some mixed feelings about this comment. Let's cut the snark and actually think about what we can do to stop this madness. I hope everyone is checking in with their local orgs to see what actions can be taken.

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  • [–] [S] 20 points 8 months ago (29 children)

    Dont blame me, im one of the victims of your fascist empire

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago* (28 children)

    Americans are also a victim of it. But we do have more agency (and thus responsibility) in reducing its harms.

    I will note however that there is probably something that can be done from anywhere in the world. We live in an interconnected world. The fascist empire exists in part because the world allows it to.

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  • [–] 8 points 8 months ago (9 children)

    You vote in a fascist or let one in and the blame the world. You all deserve to be the victim and shunned by everyone.

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  • [–] 19 points 8 months ago (6 children)

    "Let one in"

    What do you think I, personally, should have done to stop Trump that I did not do?

    I get you're angry but this is a braindead political analysis. The US is a highly undemocratic country. Very few people wanted this to happen.

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  • [–] -1 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    I can only speak to the person who posted this meme and made the headline blaming people who voted for Kamala

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  • [–] 0 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    Yeah I thought the headline was silly as well. I'm not sure what Kamala has to do with soldiers murdering people today. Maybe she normalized it with her positions and statements but she's never had particularly much influence over any US military actions, and people who voted for her had even less.

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    The point being made is that a lot of Democrat voters limit their action to simply voting Democratic and lying by claiming the Democrats are lesser war-hawks, when historically both parties are fundamentally the same in perpetrating death globally. The post title is mocking the soldier in them using "I voted for Kamala" as a defense for his actions, i.e. I didn't want this to happen so I voted democrat. Also, the joke could be taken further as a "Just following orders" theme, given the soldier voted against this and didn't want it to happen, but still committed the war crime as ordered.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago

    I disagree they're fundamentally the same. Dems are more ambivalent about war compared to full throated support on the right (with some minor exceptions like Massie, Rand, etc.)

    Kamala Harris would not be bombing Iran right now.

    But yeah people should be doing a lot more than voting, there we agree.

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  • [–] [S] 4 points 8 months ago (4 children)

    You can say whatever you want to try to dilute and deflect any criticism, but to us outside the empire, we simply can watch the news to see who is the real problem

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  • [–] 6 points 8 months ago* (3 children)

    What criticism? You can't even criticize me because you know nothing about me lol

    I already acknowledged Americans have a responsibility to stop this so I don't even know what your objection is.

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  • [–] 0 points 8 months ago* (2 children)

    What criticism? You can’t even criticize me because you know nothing about me lol

    You're replying pretty defensively to a meme criticizing American troops. If it's not about you, then there was no need to reply.

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  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago* (12 children)

    Victim of American empire:

    Dont blame me, im one of the victims of your fascist empire

    (Presumably) American:

    We live in an interconnected world. The fascist empire exists in part because the world allows it to.

    Are you kidding?

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  • [–] 5 points 8 months ago* (11 children)

    Everyone wants to play the victim. No one wants to do the hard work to protect the victims. Human nature.

    But whining about it online doesn't change shit. I guarantee you the real victims aren't here on Lemmy.

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  • [–] 5 points 8 months ago* (10 children)

    Everyone wants to be a victim. No one wants to do the hard work to protect the victims. Human nature.

    But whining about it online doesn’t change shit.

    Are you kidding me? What do you know about Salamence's life, situation, or actions? What gives you the right to lecture like this?

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  • [–] 6 points 8 months ago* (9 children)

    The fact that they're lecturing us from the same position lol. That's what made me want to comment in the first place.

    But it's fine, I was trying to get past that with my edit calling for everyone to work together. But I guess as usual leftists working together proves impossible. Big part of why the world is so shit.

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  • [–] 5 points 8 months ago* (6 children)

    The fact that they’re lecturing us from the same position lol. That’s what made me want to comment in the first place.

    the same position

    Salamence:

    Dont blame me, im one of the victims of your fascist empire

    Clearly not the same position. You assumed the person posting was in the same position, which was incorrect.

    But it’s fine, I was trying to get past that with my edit calling for everyone to work together. But I guess as usual leftists working together proves impossible. Big part of why the world is so shit.

    Solidarity is good. But people in the imperial core can't expect solidarity if they don't give it.

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago* (5 children)

    They're in the same position of ignorance about the people they're arguing with and criticizing online as I am.

    What kind of solidarity would you like to see from me that you feel is lacking?

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago* (4 children)

    Salamence made a post with a meme criticizing American troops who murdered people in the third world. That's not a position of ignorance, everyone knows what happened there.

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  • [–] -1 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    I mean the title is clearly directed at random American civilians, not just military folks. Although yes, they are ignorant about people who are in the military too.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago (2 children)

    I mean the title is clearly directed at random American civilians, not just military folks. Although yes, they are ignorant about people who are in the military too.

    Is this seriously a reply where the first sentence attempts to avoid seeming like a defense of soldiers while the second sentence is an overt defense of soldiers?

    I mean the title is clearly directed at random American civilians

    Really? Is it that clear? Don't soldiers vote for Kamala too?

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  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago* (1 child)

    I'm not defending soldiers. I do think the position that it's wrong to join or support the US military is obviously correct. But of course that doesn't change the fact that we have no direct knowledge of why people do these things on an individual basis. Since you brought it up I thought I'd point that out. But I feel like now we're arguing just to argue.

    It seemed clear to me. If that wasn't the intention then I don't know?

    I'm just really sick of all of the finger-pointing between people about very insignificant actions people did or didn't do that may or may not have led us to this moment. I'd rather talk about how we get out of it.

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  • [–] -1 points 8 months ago*

    I’d rather talk about how we get out of it.

    That's fair and good, but people (especially victims of the US empire) also have a right to post about how we got here, including just to vent. The first step to fixing things is knowing how they broke. I think trying to tell Salamence that there's shared blame here between victims and bystanders or perpetrators is counterproductive to this goal.

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  • [–] [S] 0 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    calling for everyone to work together

    Really? From this reply you made clear what you want is to share the blame

    We live in an interconnected world. The fascist empire exists in part because the world allows it to.

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  • [–] 0 points 8 months ago*

    Everyone shares blame, that's just the reality, whether people want to admit it or not. It means me, yes. But it also means you.

    I don't know why no one will admit that yes, they are partially to blame. I think that IS the first step to working together. If people don't feel responsibility to act because it's someone else's responsibility, then they won't.

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  • [+] 11 points 8 months ago* (2 children)
  • [–] -3 points 8 months ago* (1 child)

    Oh shit, China invaded a country too? Which one? It really is WWIII

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago*

    Chinese imperialism mainly happens within its borders (see: Xinjiang and Tibet); doesn't make it any better. To be clear China is the lesser of these evils, but whether what it's doing technically counts as an "invasion" doesn't have much to do with that.

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  • [–] 15 points 8 months ago (8 children)

    clueless Surely no "leftist" is going to get incredibly mad about this good post in the comments.

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  • [–] 6 points 8 months ago (6 children)

    And surely no "leftist" is going to get incredibly mad when I say:

    "Authority breeds violence. Death to all authority, states being the best example of them. Death to states, of which the US is the most powerful and most destructive."

    I'm sure no "leftist" is instead going to propose creation of a "leftist state", employ exsoldiers of the previous capitalist state and then justify war crimes by those soldiers under the name of "liberation".

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  • [–] 5 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    So I'm not against what you're saying (and maybe I'm taking the bate here) but are you implying anarchy is the only way to be free? If so, why use the term "leftist" at all, as it encompasses many ideologies, of which anarchism is one?

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago

    Existence of authority is a direct contradiction of freedom. So anything except for total anarchy = not complete freedom.

    That being said, complete anarchy is akin to machine with 100% efficiency. Amazing, but very difficult (almost impossible) to make. So do I believe that we must start by blowing up all forms of authority on day one? No. Many anarchists that I've met believe this. Most I've met reject the idea of democracy (again, because it's the majority "ruling" over the minority). This is why I won't call myself an anarchist.

    I don't associate with any leftist subgroups enough that I would want to associate with them. Sure, I feel ideologically closer to some than others, but again, not enough to consider myself part of them. This is the explanation for my usage of the broad term "leftist".


    Also, i was responding to the comment above, attempting to mirror their comment to convey my message. The above commentator was very likely a ML. I've observed these folk on Lemmy to have a habit of criticising imperialism, greed, warmongering and so on when the countries they hate do it, but absolutely cheering it on when the reds do it. It's really annoying, that's all.

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago

    That is why public or state run universities should have their tuition fees paid through taxes instead of military service. If you decide to attend a private university, you are on your own.

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