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Epstein files suggest acts that may amount to crimes against humanity, say UN experts (www.theguardian.com)
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Independent experts appointed by human rights council speak of ‘grave’ nature regarding scale of atrocities against women and girls

Millions of files related to the convicted child sex offender Jeffrey Epstein suggest the existence of a “global criminal enterprise” that carried out acts meeting the legal threshold of crimes against humanity, a panel of independent experts appointed by the United Nations human rights council has said.

The experts said crimes outlined in documents released by the US justice department were committed against a backdrop of supremacist beliefs, racism, corruption and extreme misogyny. The crimes, they said, showed a commodification and dehumanisation of women and girls.

“So grave is the scale, nature, systematic character, and transnational reach of these atrocities against women and girls, that a number of them may reasonably meet the legal threshold of crimes against humanity,” they said in a statement.

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[–] 5 points 8 months ago*

Yeah, well, fucking do something about it then.. out these assholes, arrest and throw them in a hole, punch them, fuckinf anything, once.

this is to the people who xan arrest them, not you.

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    [–] 67 points 8 months ago (9 children)

    What happened to all the pizzagate people? Where are you? I have fresh pepperoni.

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  • [–] 24 points 8 months ago*

    Presumably chillin with the "The gubbmint's buildin FEMA death camps!" people...now that the government is building death camps.

    It's really irritating. It's some incredible psy-ops to make the conspiracy theorist crowd not constantly be screaming "I told you so" from the rooftops when they were even partially correct.

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  • [–] 20 points 8 months ago (4 children)

    Pizza-gaters never actually cared about children. Pizza-gate was never more than a fictionel club to swing at democrats. Now that their own team is being credibly accused of child rape they assume it is a lie as well.

    That's the genius of the GOP. They craft all these lies accusing the Democrats of crimes that Republicans are actively committing. Then when their own crimes come to light, the GOP base assumes that the accusations against the Republicans are also lies and dismiss them without thought.

    Every accusation is a confession is literally the GOP modus operandi.

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  • [–] 5 points 8 months ago*

    Pizza-gate was never more than a fictionel club to swing at democrats

    Well it was a Democrat who's files were leaked. But they were good friends with pedophile Dennis Hastert (R).

    Democrat power player David Brock's ex boyfriend's Instagram account posts were far from fictional.

    I should add that apart from the nature of the (alleged) crimes, there doesn't seem to be a link between Epstein and Pizzagate.

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  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    Gaslight obstruct project.

    If you project it on your ‘enemies’ the people get desensitized to a concept over time and eventually ‘both sides’ it so they can palate (sp?) excusing it in their ‘own’

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  • [–] 13 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

    Moot(4chan owner) met Epstein and created the /pol/ board the same day. Q anon was created on 4chan.com/pol/ a couple years later.

    Epstein seems to be using "pizza and grape soda", "muffins", "muffin batter", "baking spray", "jerky" and possibly other words as code words, they're used in very strange ways some of which only make sense refering to something else.

    So this is probably a calculated strategy of creating Q to paint any leaks or future accusations as ridiculous like that stupid Q from 4chan. Mix some truth with ridiculous lies and send anyone interested down an embarrassing dead end. The UFO strategy.

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  • [–] 4 points 8 months ago

    TBH, probably pissed, but the media and botfarms that were amping their nonsense before don't want to now. So we're not hearing them. That's why Trump is so desperate to meddle with midterms, he knows that in a fair election he's fucked. He is absurdly unpopular.

    But never forget Trump's buddy Thiel's thoughts about that. They fully plan on making peaceful revolution impossible...

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    • [–] 55 points 8 months ago (4 children)

    So that's why Trump went so hard against the ICC.

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  • [–] 36 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    The fun part is, it does matter. If the people named enter a country that respects the ICC, they'll be arrested.

    Those New Zealand bunkers are about to became inaccessible.

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    • [–] 51 points 8 months ago (1 child)

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    • [–] 83 points 8 months ago (7 children)

    Uhhhhhhh......yeah. We know. There was an island, and a bunch of crimes against humanity. It was like this whole big thing.

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  • [–] 67 points 8 months ago (6 children)

    It means these people can be arrested at an international level. To speak loosely, it no longer matters that the crimes took place on US soil becuase it expands the prosecutorial jurisdiction to the world.

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  • [–] 24 points 8 months ago (5 children)

    Which is critical because the corruption of the US government means that no prosecution will ever happen here

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  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago (4 children)

    I don't know if ever is the right term. I'm hopeful that once this administration is gone, the next administration might start doing their job and investigate some of these individuals, leading to prosecutions.

    But I think you are certainly right that the current administration is corrupt and no prosecutions will happen under them.

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  • [+] 6 points 8 months ago (3 children)
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  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    Are you saying there is precedence for what we currently have? Trump seems to think that he'll get impeached if republican's don't win. Then if he's out, Vance and him seem to have differing opinions on the Epstein files. Vance has also had some things to say before getting all budy-budy with Trump.

    France is currently investigating allegations. In fact 10 countries have opened investigations.

    So I suspect Trump is in the files, hence the coverup but once he's gone I think there might be enough public pressure to cause the next administration to do something.

    I mean, Biden pardoned his family because he thought the new administration would go after them.

    Of course, I can't see the future and maybe it all gets swept under the rug, but I'm hopeful.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago

    Suspect?

    I'm curious as to whether the use of that word was purposely deliberate or not.

    I'm also curious as to how closely you've been following the subject and from where.

    For reference, he's been confirmed by multiple presumably trustworthy sources who, until reading the unredacted files, had no overtly stated agenda on the subject, to be in them VERY frequently.

    The adamance with which these people have mentioned the frequency of his appearance in the files makes me suspect he's in there on an order of magnitude more than anyone other than Epstein himself.

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    • [–] 9 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    Soooo we have hope of some sort of international court stepping in and being the adult in the room?

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago

    Sure, but the us (and Israel) don't recognise the international court of justice, despite helping found it, so what are the chances of something coming out of that?

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    • [–] 9 points 8 months ago (4 children)

    He was involved in Iran Contra for Christ sake. The idea that this guy was not involved in global geopolitics at the highest level is ridiculous.

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  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    I'm pretty well-versed in the Iran Contra Scandal, but I don't recall ever hearing Trump associated with it. What have you heard?

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  • [–] 6 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    Epstein was basically made head of the second plane company involved in Iran-Contra at the exact time this company became involved, so journalists looked into it and now there's a pretty big pile of evidence of his involvement

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    • [–] 22 points 8 months ago (4 children)

    The fact that we need to reiterate that rape is a crime against humanity is simultaneously mind boggling and expected. Doubly so on both counts in regard to female children.

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    • [–] 6 points 8 months ago

    The actual scope of this guys crimes is absolutely mind blowing.

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    [–] 5 points 8 months ago

    The UN says Raping Children on an Island while Destabilizing Governments Worldwide ALLAH EXACTLY what QAnon said are Crimes Against Humanity? Why does the UN HATE TRUMP!

    -QAnon!

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    [–] 4 points 8 months ago

    Would be very funny to give trump to the EU and have him go to the hague only for the pedo stuff.

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    [–] 3 points 8 months ago

    No no guys, the FBI and the Attorney General have said there's no evidence of anyone doing anything wrong, and there's definitely no case to prosecute. There's nothing to see here, move along.

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    [–] 65 points 8 months ago

    Unfortunately, Humanity lacks an enforcement mechanism.

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    [–] 52 points 8 months ago* (17 children)

    “global criminal enterprise”

    This is the kind of stuff that causes people to believe Qanon.

    In this post, I'm not blaming Q or the people who believed it. I'm blaming the actual cabal of pedophiles because their existence is enough to make conspiracy theories like Q seem credible.

    It turns out the hippies were right; people really are being herded like animals.

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  • [–] 48 points 8 months ago (14 children)

    Epstein met Moot(4chan owner) and drove him home, he created the /pol/ board on 4 chan the same day. A couple years later Q anon would be created on that board.

    It's the strategy the UFO guys use of mixing ridiculous bullshit with the truth so if anything leaks it sounds like that half ridiculous load of shit you proved was fake to the public.

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  • [–] 12 points 8 months ago (9 children)

    It’s the strategy the UFO guys use of mixing ridiculous bullshit with the truth so if anything leaks it sounds like that half ridiculous load of shit you proved was fake to the public.

    Hmmmm... 🤔

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  • [–] 11 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    I'll take the opposite tack from the other guy, Bob Lazar comes off as a skilled liar, and aliens and time travelers require actual evidence.

    The US government did fake 90% of the UFO movement.

    Most of the fucked up story is told here; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8F1HnpeQTo

    That's a Behind the Bastards episode, Part One: How The U.S. Government Used Aliens To Destroy a Man's Mind.

    The actual truth is more fucked up than the made up conspiracies, but also more boring. Weapons and Weapon Systems. That's it. Bad ideas and worse coverups.

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  • [–] 4 points 8 months ago* (1 child)

    Now that sounds way more plausible than Obamas secret Alien Bob Lazers or whatever that other guy was saying.

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  • [–] 5 points 8 months ago

    Yeah, the story is wild, but also it's always tied back to nukes.

    An example is cattle mutilation. See, there was a project called "Plowshare" where some people, wanting to have more nukes, tried to find "peaceful" uses for nukes. So, the detonated a nuke, deep underground in the South West, in an effort to fracture the rock and release natural gas.

    This worked, except for the little fact that all the gas was contaminated with radioactive isotopes and was rendered unusable.

    But this gas was leaky, because the ground was nuked, so in order to track the cancers caused, government agents secretly vivisected cattle, mostly to remove lymph nodes to track a common radiation linked cancer. As always, they didn't tell anyone local that they were doing this, which prompted local authorities and farmers to investigate.

    With some careful prodding, a few hints, and a placed agent or two, the guy investigating was convinced that it was aliens doing experiments.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago

    I used to think the giant psyop angle made more sense. It doesn't. It explains a bunch of stupid abductions and military reports. Then you look at the Russian reports of incidents at nuclear facilities and suddenly they're copying the US's play book. Then there's the UK, China and Israel... Feds installed a noise floor of bullshit but it doesn't explain everything away. It's a nice safe conspiracy that feels like it could explain everything but does not.

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  • [–] -1 points 8 months ago* (4 children)

    Aliens(or time travelers) are probably real. Obama even said so in an interview just the other day. There's a DEFCON talk on commonalities and national security implications of UFOs from a few years ago for more information. Also Bob Lazar who's life makes no sense unless he's real or the most complex and well done psyop in history.

    Probably doesn't change your day to day life any in the face of fascism 🫤

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  • [–] 8 points 8 months ago* (3 children)

    Rrrrright. You're in the realm of flat earth run by lizard people now.

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  • [–] 0 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    Thank you for illustrating my point

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago* (1 child)

    Exactly. I'm not the person you were speaking with, but I agree he's illustrating your point: even though I don't directly believe any of that stuff, I've been around long enough to know that it's all blatantly untrue and patently ridiculous until it's not, and that when it comes right down to it I cannot possibly know what I don't know.

    So I leave space for what I don't know even while marking it as unreliable in my own mental index, and in the meantime I try to look for whatever can be physically proven. There is actually quite a lot of documented whatthefuckery in our natural world, and the way you get to proving it one way or another is by throwing hypotheses at the group of facts until one starts to fit.

    In everything you've mentioned there's nothing that has been definitively disproven. And what the security people are doing by looking for commonalities is exactly what they should be doing, not hiding their heads in the sand and pretending nothing strange has ever happened while they call other people easy names for noting that it exists.

    Imagine if all Epsteins accusers so easily "deemed not credible" were actually heard the first time. There was a reason he went after the most vulnerable, the least protected, many of them with problems of their own: they are easy to disregard, easy to write off, even easy to blame for their own abuse. And that asshole was right.

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  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

    Yeah. There are caves in India I cannot for the life of me make fit into any narative that doesn't conjure scifi or magic. They and 3d scans of Egyptian granite vases have me looking at the ancient aliens series with dread. That shit is so goofy and yet here I am looking at stone machined with compound symmetric curves to tollerances of ±0.02mm I think some of the vases were like ±0.003mm. Nuts and I have no idea what to with the information but adjust my tables of what is possible

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  • [–] 8 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    It's funny, I think you're very wrong about aliens, but you've actually picked a perfect example. The US government encouraged alien beliefs to ensure that anyone who saw secret tests would assume aliens and not experimental aircraft or radio experiments. And then even if someone didn't say such things they'd be lumped in with those beliefs. It created a lot of noise and created an environment where they could deny something completely different from what they were doing.

    The elites harvesting adrenochrome from children in a massive shadow world government as a part of pagan rituals is ridiculous and easy to dismiss in a way that "a wealthy power broker connected a lot of the worst and most powerful people in the world by acting as a drug hookup and pimp specializing in children and the ability to engage in violence. And even better they couod mske it partisan, and claim that one of the most involved people was the solution if given the power of a fascist dictator.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago (2 children)

    Look dude, math says there are aliens out there, you are smart enough to conceed that point. I was not sold by witness reports it was the military interactions, the videos, the pattern of interacting with nuclear sites, bob lazar specifically and the law enforcement responses he generated.

    The Franklin scandal really gave it's self away having the FBI do a large scale raid on the investigator's office the day after he died with his son in a plane crash. Same day he met an informant and got the photos needed to prosecute. It's that kind of thing that i find telling.

    Now you could say it's all a psyop to make Russia think the US has captured tech they don't really have but that gets wildly complex and more and more nonsensical the further back you go in history. Like we have foo fighters from WWI and II, the bell, etc...

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    • [–] 40 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    Can we stop talking about how horrible these crimes are and actually arrest some people?

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    [–] 19 points 8 months ago

    I think any abuse against children is a crime against humanity by definition.

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    [–] 4 points 8 months ago

    How TF could having a bunch of girls' corpses buried "out back" POSSIBLY "not" be in the crimes-against-humanity category?!

    "It's time for a crusade." goes the meme?

    ( that utterly-perfect image of the guy pushing his glasses on .. with the arms going through the helmet's eye-holes.. : )

    THIS IS LIKE THE UN'S SITTING-OUT THE POLICING-RESPONSIBILITY DURING THE RWANDAN HOLOCAUST.

    Idiocy.

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    [–] 4 points 8 months ago

    Epstein's very existence was a crime and all those that were even remotely associated with him should be treated as vile scum that should never see the light of day, also why the FUCK does child rape not "meet the legal threshold" for crimes against humanity?

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