French President Emmanuel Macron on Saturday, February 14, urged calm and restraint after the fatal beating of a 23-year-old French youth aligned with the far-right on the sidelines of a conference by a hard-left lawmaker in the southeastern city of Lyon.

The death of the young man – identified only as Quentin – has intensified tensions between France's far-right and radical left who are both eyeing 2027 presidential elections.

He had been hospitalized in Lyon on Thursday after being attacked while providing what his supporters said was security for a protest against an appearance by hard-left MEP Rima Hassan at the Lyon branch of the Sciences Po university.

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[–] 49 points 8 months ago

"Chill out, everybody calm down. Its was just a nazi, the fucker got what was coming to him."

The French have a proud tradition to maintain.

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  • [–] 91 points 8 months ago (21 children)

    Why is it called "far-right" and then "radical left"

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  • [–] 12 points 8 months ago (2 children)
  • [–] 5 points 8 months ago (10 children)
    radical
    /ˈradɪkl/
    adjective
    adjective: radical
    1.
    (especially of change or action) relating to or affecting the fundamental nature of something; far-reaching or thorough.
    "a radical overhaul of the existing regulatory framework"
    2.
    advocating or based on thorough or complete political or social change; representing or supporting an extreme or progressive section of a political party.
    noun
    noun: radical; plural noun: radicals
    1.
    a person who advocates thorough or complete political or social change, or a member of a political party or section of a party pursuing such aims.
    

    Radical change is literally the goal.

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  • [–] 0 points 8 months ago (9 children)

    Denotation ignores connotation, and in the US, "radical left" has specific meaning, especially to nazis.

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  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    America has no concept of "radical left". I can suggest something mild and end up being called a communist.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago

    Precisely. As a progressive, what I want is generally considered pretty normal and basic in any of the other 32 OECD ("developed") countries.

    There are a few that would be "radical", but they are a tiny minority.

    Tell ya what, though, after putting up with fascist bullshit all my life, while I just want basic freedom and a social safety net, I'm willing to listen to these "radical" left. Certainly the regressive right has done fuck all for us.

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  • [–] -3 points 8 months ago* (6 children)

    That's radical dude. That's rad.

    Radical has always been progressive in america. Right out of the civil rights movement co-opted by hippies.

    If you are backing down to the nazis and letting them change the meaning of words I am going to call you a weak dog.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago (5 children)

    There is nothing radical about progressives in the US. As a progressive… we are centrist in most of the other 32 OECD ("developed") countries.

    Radical left would start with things like no private property, ownership of everything by all, things like that.

    So no, friend, I'm not changing the meaning of anything. Calling progressives in the US "radical" is already changing the meaning and wussing out on what actual radical change would be.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago (4 children)

    You have this negative association with the word that is entirely adopted from the right. The civil rights movement was radical, dude.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago (3 children)

    Seems like you wish to ignore all of my points.

    Fair enough.

    Have a lovely day.

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  • [–] 0 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    You ignored my points you just want to be agreed with you never engaged my points which actually contradicted you. Your point is that progressives in america aren't progressives because progressives in other countries are more progressive? But they are still progressive, you are still progressive. But because I don't immediate agree with you, you say I am ignoring your points, I would say that you aren't progressive at all. Because that isn't how discussion works, that's hmmm. Maybe there is a name for "agree with me or else" ??

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago (1 child)

    Your point is that progressives in america aren’t progressives because progressives in other countries are more progressive?

    No. As I stated, the "radical left" in the US is not radical.

    Anyway, we're not gonna agree on this, which is fine. I'm not forcing you to. I hadn't felt you addressed my points, but this time around you did seem to do so, so I still want you to have a lovely day. :)

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  • [–] 0 points 8 months ago*

    Observe the use of the term radical in the US after the civil rights movement. It's really not as easy as your personal opinion there is more going to this.

    E: And if it's progressive to be more left than right in america, I think it tracks that radical is more left than left in america.

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  • [–] 119 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    His supporters say he was providing “security” - we all know the far-right lie 100% of the time, so he probably started a fight and lost his life.

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  • [–] 76 points 8 months ago

    Providing security in the way that Hitler's people did in the early 30's.

    By showing up in numbers, starting fights, and then claiming to be defending themselves. A tried-and-true Nazi propaganda tactic, and I'm glad the French aren't standing for it.

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  • [–] 97 points 8 months ago (11 children)

    Nazi lives don't matter!

    They really really don't... at all.

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  • [+] -26 points 8 months ago (10 children)
  • [–] 53 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

    He was providing "secutity" to far right agitators, i.e he was the french equivilant of a proud boy or neo nazi. He likely started the fight that killed him. Should those leftists let him beat them to death instead?

    Id save your recriminations for better souls. Nazis like him want you dead, and would kill millions of others if they could. When you expouse mass death, the ignorance of youth is no shield.

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  • [+] -11 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    This toxic hateful comments dominating this discussion is the reason why I left Lemmy more than a year ago and make me want to go back to my decision. Sickening and incredible self defeating, this is not how French society will look at this murder.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago (1 child)

    Yeah of course that's not how French society will look at the murder. But that's not because of how much the French value life (lol, how long did it take to recognize Palestine?) or because of how noble they are, it's because French society is racist as hell and values fascists 1000x more than the Black and Brown people the racists kill routinely. I'm sure there's a million little Charlie Hebdos looking to one up each other in how they can blame Muslims for this as I write this comment.

    And for the record, a world without fascists is a better world. What else are people gonna do with the fascists, take them to Sunday school and teach them better values?

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  • [+] -16 points 8 months ago* (2 children)

    The avg IQ on Lemmy is either room temperature or it's full of edgy teenagers having their rebellion moment. It baffles me that saying "yeah, I don't wanna live in a society where I can be lynched because some mob decided to be judge jury and executioner for a day" is heavily downvoted and gets people triggered smh

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  • [–] 51 points 8 months ago

    Fuck being calm. Rightwingers keep assaulting normies and our own, because they had suffered no consequences. We should change that, forever. It is easy to be conservative, when you don't pay for the wrongs you commit.

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  • [–] 112 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 child)

    We're experiencing a wave of racist attacks and murders and the only thing they talk about is the attack where a fascist was killed.
    We don't even know exactly what happened yet, most of the noise is coming from Nemesis another fascist "feminist" group.

    Coincidentally, our biggest leftist party was unilaterally labelled "far left" by our ministry of the interior a few days ago. (Le monde used hard left in the article, legally they are a generic leftist party)

    Coincidentally also, mayoral elections are in about 4 weeks, with an uptick from said party.

    Nothing to see here, France is definitely not sliding towards trumpism and fascism at a blinding speed.

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  • [–] 24 points 8 months ago

    From what I gather there was a group clash of 20+ people and the nazi dudes ran away leaving 1 behind who just got clobbered.

    It was right extremists "counter protesting" and the dead guy seems like a professional agitator providing "security service" to right extremists.

    Tl;dr: they fucked around and found out.

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  • [–] 46 points 8 months ago*

    Nothing of value was lost

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  • [–] 28 points 8 months ago* (1 child)

    "Hatred that kills has no place in our country" - Man trying to stop hateful people who want to kill from facing consequences of their actions.

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  • [–] 33 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    I forget, what is the only good nazi...?

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  • [+] -30 points 8 months ago (10 children)

    Excuse me, but where does it say anything about nazi?

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  • [–] 29 points 8 months ago (9 children)

    Not agreeing with the comment but, far-right = Nazi.

    Tho I don’t think saying they deserve to die is true, those people have just fallen in the lies of the far right parties and are scared.

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  • [–] 35 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    those people have just fallen in the lies of the far right parties and are scared.

    No, I’m done trying to find novel or justifiable reasons for people to support Nazis. The most likely answer is that there’s something in it for them. Not because they’re scared, but because they believe that naziism will get them something (power, control, money, etc) that they wouldn’t otherwise have. It’s an entirely self-serving ideology, so why would anyone follow it for reasons that aren’t rooted in selfishness?

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  • [+] -13 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    Everyone is calling people far right nowadays just because they think the boarders shouldnt be kept open to anyone. This is why I ask, because the far left is throwing the word around like Nothin.

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  • [–] 35 points 8 months ago

    Nazi lives don't matter.

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  • [–] 43 points 8 months ago

    Far right meaning Nazi in this case?

    I won't cry any tears for dead Nazis.

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  • [–] 17 points 8 months ago

    You go Frenchies that is based.

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  • [–] 8 points 8 months ago

    So are they translating the Horst Wessel Song into French yet?

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  • [+] 27 points 8 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (10 children)
  • [–] 21 points 8 months ago (8 children)

    I think the world needs less radical left and more militant left.

    We've tried talking for the last 80 years or so. Its not working so well. So maybe we need to bring back the violence that defeated fascism last time.

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  • [–] 5 points 8 months ago

    The man who died was a far right militant, member of a group who regularly descends in the street to beat everyone not looking like their idea of a French.

    I don't think killing people is a solution. But if you think violence is sometimes justified against some people, this dude was as close as it gets.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago (1 child)

    "The means are the end," to quote a line from The Dispossessed by Ursula K Le Guin (anarchist and legendary fiction writer). While I agree that we need most parts if the left for revolution (Andor does a decent job demonstrating this), I'm highly skeptical that lasting change can be built on revolution that is primarily enacted through violence.

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    We need less polarisation. The far left and far right are both wrong because the world is a complex place full of nuance.

    Personally I consider myself left of centre, but I also find policies that are absolutely core to the left abhorrent. That means I have voted centre right in the past, or centre depending on the situation.

    What is absolutely certain is this kid did not deserve to die and the people that did it should JUSTLY face the full force of the law.

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago

    Mmh... I think that tribal identification is a basic problem (the us vs their conundrum): the danger is obvious, admit this general simplified view to conform the "only two collectives" and judge them by choiced individuals and not by the root ideas and what they bring, if humans cannot overcome this instinct they will remain ants that follow queens for no good reason...

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  • [+] 27 points 8 months ago (3 children)
  • [–] -5 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    If we need to be prepare for collective self-defense, killing violence is the field of the far right. I'm not saying "it's wrong", I'm saying that we will lose. Our collectives are made around care and support, their collectives prepare for war an terror

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago*

    Learn some history, every advancement we've made as a species is from violence or the threat there of. The black panthers (and various other armed left wing groups and individuals) are what won civil rights in America, not King asking nicely. King asking nicely was just the way to make demands known.

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  • [+] 19 points 8 months ago (11 children)
  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago (4 children)

    He was killed by a nihilist groyper though.

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  • [+] 4 points 8 months ago (3 children)
  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    True. I would find it more fun if they all started getting faulty dick surgeries, and also take underwater trips down to ww1 era military shipwrecks. Also take up bee keeping and walking down New York city at 6 am alone.

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  • [–] 0 points 8 months ago (5 children)

    You do realize that this and the killing of Kirk is great news for the far right movement?

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago* (3 children)

    No it isn't? Kirk was immediately turned into a joke and his 'friends' and even wife were profiteering so hard off it that even the magats could see through it. He was by far the most effective communicator the Nazis had, with him out of the way they have just less effective lunatics advocating for their evil.

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  • [–] 0 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    And now he's a martyr who's been killed by the radical left terrorists who celebrate his murder.

    I didn't know him before he was murdered (only knew his face of the memes, didn't know what he stood for) and I think the world is a better place without him. But if you advocate for and celebrate people being murdered in the streets, then you're just helping the far right narrative, and frankly it makes you not any better than them.

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    It makes me a lot better than them, and you are an idiot if you think it's equal in any way. And i literally just explained that no, he isn't a martyr, he's a joke among his own people.

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  • [–] 0 points 8 months ago

    Yes, that's probably why Turning Point membership is growing.

    Maybe not equal, but rather worse than many on the far right (probably not all, I'll give you that). Murder is bad, full stop. I don't know why I'm wasting time explaining this...

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  • [–] 14 points 8 months ago

    Such a tragedy

    1000002702

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  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago

    If National Rally were in any position of power, this easily could have become France's Reichstag Fire moment.

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  • [–] 10 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 child)

    France right now is like a powder keg

    This far-right activist was beaten by a street group calling themselves the Young Guards ("Le Jeune Gardes"). What makes this case dangerous is that Raphael Arnault, leader of Young Guards, is also a famous French MP.

    He is part of a left-wing party calling themselves the France Rebellion ("France Insoumise").

    Raphael Arnault has been involved in street fights with Young Guards against Lepen supporters. He was even sentenced to jail by a judge. However, his political party always defended him, despite his criminal conviction.

    Now, the France Rebellion party is getting blamed for this death. And they are facing massive calls for physical retribution.

    Things could really get out of control.

    Let's hope that cool heads prevail.

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago

    The French have seen a lot of political violence during the French revolution. France will create another Napoleon.

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago

    Before sending fake news like that, please favt check what you are posting!

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

    Fucker Macron allied himself with the RN multiple time and now he’s shocked when the country know for its manifestation is protecting itself. What wanker

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago

    Uh oh, Suzerain coming to reality

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  • [–] 0 points 8 months ago

    Of course you know that, when that asshole says that, the victim is a right winger.

    Emmanuel Papon strikes again

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